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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Mar 24 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Well, we'll never know will we? Exactly
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silvertop Portishead 01 Mar 24 12.54pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
They're not interested in truth or reality - it's just hop from point to point as and when the latest IDF lie gets exposed. You'll note when there is a particularly horrific atrocity such as with the aid trucks yesterday, there is a load of diversion on definitions and sources and all sorts of other semantics, none of which should have any difference on someone's willingness to condemn such actions. As you say, it's blatantly obvious from the information we have that the death toll is going to end up well above 20 or 30 thousand - absolutely everyone approaching this honestly knows this, but we hop up and down about where the numbers come from and whatever else. I just don't understand how you end up in a position where you're tying yourself in illogical knots to defend something objectively so reprehensible. A thoroughly depressing lack of humanity, and as you allude to, speaks more to their view of Palestinians than it does anything else. I fail to see how you can still maintain a defence of Israel otherwise. If I was to hazard a guess, I would say that the comments on this thread that simply ape the press releases of the IDF are, at least partly, informed by their domestic prejudices. That is, their personal prejudice against British Asians and especially Muslims. I am not going to make any comment on that as there are racist thoughts both ways - a great deal more from Asians to whites, I suspect - and not every comment from the mouth of the arch right is wrong. The fear of culture submission is not wholly groundless. That said, a lot of British Muslims protest against Israel sets them as Palestine/Hamas; whereas our friends on here largely identify with the more European Israeli. Thus, they go into the sort of semantic contortions to defend Israel and attack any criticism of the campaign as antisemitic or an apology for terrorists, even though it is plain to see for a blind man that the actions are indefensible and morally abhorrent. Israel did have the right to defend itself, but we have passed the point where there is any meaningful "defence". Two men rob your house and rape your wife. You track them down and kill them, people have sympathy. You kill their parents for giving birth to them... hang on. You then kill their kids as offspring of evil, no way. Applying this analogy, Israel have reached the point where they are killing the poor bloke who did their dry cleaning. It is sad that this should be so as the massacre of children is the massacre of children no matter how you write it. It is not something that is somehow acceptable due to the unspeakable actions of a minority of its adult population.
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silvertop Portishead 01 Mar 24 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Exactly Exactly what? We'll never know as they have been largely wiped out. If ever there were crossed purpose...
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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Mar 24 9.13pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Exactly what? We'll never know as they have been largely wiped out. If ever there were crossed purpose... Exactly, we will never know and your attempt to put forward the Hamas arned police as a factor in the " civilian "deaths simply reinforces your pro Hamas position.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Mar 24 9.15pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The pentagon have today confirmed a number of 25,000 dead Palestinian women and children since October, and that’s not including civilian men, nor all of the victims still buried under rubble. All of that fake grandstanding around the source of the numbers is the latest weak excuse to fall away. 25,000 women and children - how can it be anything but a genocide? What is your definition of Palestine? Clearly too difficult a question
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georgenorman 01 Mar 24 10.22pm | |
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In this post-truth world, what is your definition of definition?
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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Mar 24 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
In this post-truth world, what is your definition of definition? Whatever suits my narrative? For the sake of transparency that is based on what several posters on here do , so not representative of the whole.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 02 Mar 24 7.54am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
A view casually typed out from the safety of your home. I guarantee you would not post this if you were on the ground. And as for the most recent massacre. For good reason, we still get sh1t for Amritsar and Bloody Sunday and "white" South Africa continues to live in the shadow of Sharpeville. This one is worse. It wasn't overkill against a political demo, it was the gunning down with live ammo of a rush of starving people seeking food. There could have been Palestinian police there to control the crowd, but the Israelis have killed them. Where are you? Rafah? Stupid comment but not unexpected
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Mar 24 6.42pm | |
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turns out most of the people crushed running for the Aid lorry had bullet wounds.
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georgenorman 02 Mar 24 7.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
turns out most of the people crushed running for the Aid lorry had bullet wounds. Have they paraded their naked bodies through Tel Aviv streets for people to spit on?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 Mar 24 7.23am | |
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I think some fundamentals aren't being acknowledged. Terrorists are scum. I think we can agree on that. They deserve everything they get. Having civilians starved, bombed, shot by a country's military in some kind of revenge action,....(to me) is just sick beyond words.
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georgenorman 03 Mar 24 7.55am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I think some fundamentals aren't being acknowledged. Terrorists are scum. I think we can agree on that. They deserve everything they get. Having civilians starved, bombed, shot by a country's military in some kind of revenge action,....(to me) is just sick beyond words. What were we doing when we bombed Dresden in World War II or the USA in Hiroshima or the Russians in occupying Berlin. I'm not approving of any of it. Wars are awful events, but in most cases you have to choose a side that it is in your interests for them to win. Hamas's own figures (that are surely inflated) say around 28,000 have been killed, with talk of 9,000 being Hamas fighters. The ratio of civilians to combatants is low for modern urban warfare. In Syria, Assad is reckoned to have killed 600,000 Arab Muslims - about ten times the numbers killed in the Israel-Arab conflicts since 1947. In Yemen there are estimates of 337,000 killed, yet the demonstrators in London chant support for the Houthis - as well as, of course, chanting that Jews are Nazis. It's pretty clear who are more Nazi-like.
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