Is it? Well it's not a democratic assembly.

The members of the EU are all democracies. They are represented in the Council by their leaders. They assemble to willingly delegate some matters to the EU institutions because they believe it’s in the best interests of their people to do so.

Referendums on membership, and on major changes, have been standard practical. Something I believe to be unnecessary. .

So, like all democratic processes, it has its own quirks but can still be regarded as a type of democracy .

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

A nation in which the price of almost everything has just gone up, in which people were already struggling and which has now voluntarily given up its financial independence. Oh and joined Schengen. Meaning a whole host of people smugglers must be eyeing it up as the next destination for their travel brochures.

I love Croatia. Was married there, had my kids christened there and will hopefully end my days under its skies. But today, I am heartbroken for it.

Swapped Belgrade for Brussells. For shame.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

"Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious." [Orwell]
The unelected EU Commission is the sole source of proposing and framing laws, when you can't vote for or against the people that make the laws that govern you then you don't live in a democracy.

Edited by georgenorman (03 Jan 2023 8.44am)

"A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink." [Orwell]

How exciting. You have just found a 23 year old theory and it's so fascinating to you that you had to put it onto two threads.

I have noticed you are resorting to ad hominem attacks. As we know, there is a reason for that. However, WE is probably someone that is affected by the other element of the DK effect that was postulated. He thinks reasoning is simple and therefore underestimates his capability for reasoned thought and doesn't recognise how weak others can be.

According to Psychology Today:

The Dunning-Kruger effect is commonly invoked in online arguments to discredit other people’s ideas. The only problem is that the Dunning-Kruger effect itself is wrong.

You will no doubt have found that out when you researched the issue before posting, which is something that one would naturally do to avoid a DK like effect.

To quote a different Psychology Today article:

To avoid falling prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect, people can honestly and routinely question their knowledge base and the conclusions they draw, rather than blindly accepting them.