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  Hrolf The Ganger  07 Oct 18 11.38am |
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Originally posted by lefty27
I do find your concern for homosexuals slightly ironic. This was after this site was the star of a bbc documentary and many on here were outed as homophobic. Who exactly are 'yourselves'? I don't speak for anyone or have anyone one speaking for me. Do I hear more whataboutery?
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| Stirlingsays 07 Oct 18 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Is this a vindication of non-western cultures due to their more natural, less artificial structures in your eyes?
Nature has not designed women and men to be the same and social constructionists do an enormous amount of harm to the effectiveness and meritocratic potential of societies by forcing the lie that they are or indeed should be. Men and women are, in general, complimentary as they were designed to be. Originally posted by serial thriller
Men built the world? Such a silly view. Where would Napoleon or Caesar or Churchill have been without their mother? Women do most of the manual labour in the world, mainly for far less money and without access to representation, frequently the target of abuse either in Britain or Saudi. Without them are whole society would crumble and burn. Learn some bloody respect. I refer you to my previous sentence. A woman should have the freedom to advance within society subject to their abilities....same as for a male. There should be no 'helping hand' nor should there be any impediment.....Thatcher had the right attitude to this. Some roles and jobs will suit the sexes more than others. As long as someone can meet the requirements for those roles.....with no reduction in requirements then that's an effective society.....unfortunately that hasn't been what's happened. Anyway in broad stoke that's the western 'patriarchy'.....the most successful society in the world. That the loony left are tearing down. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Oct 2018 12.17pm)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Oct 18 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is some truth in what you say but when you say it, it just sounds like the usual Islamic apologist claptrap that we have come to expect. Whataboutery does not excuse anything. The Western world is trying to make itself a better place but it won't achieve that by importing the most intolerant aggressive religion on the planet. Tolerating intolerance because it is Islamic in the name of some perceived greater purpose stinks of hypocrisy and stupidity. Where do you draw the line? How many people have you seen on here excusing away mass rape with whataboutery? You for one. The line clearly does not exist for some. But there is a point in whataboutery here. What it is aiming for is to avoid judgement, to understand that our culture is full of vice and contradictions as well and that the path out of this is to learn to understand why, to find conciliation with your supposed enemy and to forgive. This is the crucial tenant of Christianity, and one which still rings true today. Instead of looking for reasons to judge that which you don't know, ask why it is you are so eager to judge.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Oct 18 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Anyway back to Tommy. I watched his interview with sky and thought to be fair he dealt with the questioning very well. What I would have asked him is, of these cases of sexual abuse, why is it that he focuses on the religion of the accused and not, say, their gender, or age, or class? I would hazard that it's because he wants the easy option. Talking about Islam, selectively picking out koranic quotes and claiming it is the root of sexual violence allow him to continue the line of argument he trained in the EDL. Because it's quite plain to see it's because of their religion and not anything else. You think it's because of their class? Are you actually serious? Quote
But what unites the rape cases he covers, with those of Yew tree, the Catholic church and Boko Haram? They are carried out by men trained in an ideology of patriarchy, acting savagely and brutally, and who just so happen to justify their actions through religion. I imagine Tommy would agree with you on this. The reason the focus is on Islam is because the media and politicians ignore it due to political correctness. While the Catholic Church is not really ignored. If the media did their job, then there would be no Tommy highlighting what's happening in the UK. The cops and councils have covered cases up and the media don;t even mention the religion or ethnicity in their headlines even though it's a fundamental aspect of the court reports. Quote
The irony is, when it comes to politicizing sexual violence, offering solidarity with its victims and support to families, there is already a group doing far more than Robinson will ever do. They're called feminists. Well you are totally wrong. The so-called feminists you mention say NOTHING about the burqa and women's rights in Islam. In fact, they often use the hijab as feminist empowerment without seeing the irony of women in Iran wanting to take it off. Look up Linda Sarsour – a leader of the Women's March in the US and a despicable human being. Someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a lady who speaks out against Islam and its treatment of women but she doesn't get any media attention. Also, she's currently under a fatwa... Edited by Penge Eagle (07 Oct 2018 1.10pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Oct 18 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But there is a point in whataboutery here. What it is aiming for is to avoid judgement, to understand that our culture is full of vice and contradictions as well and that the path out of this is to learn to understand why, to find conciliation with your supposed enemy and to forgive. This is the crucial tenant of Christianity, and one which still rings true today. Instead of looking for reasons to judge that which you don't know, ask why it is you are so eager to judge. So your logic is that we should happily import aggressive,anti Western, homophobic, misogynistic cultures and religions that represent everything we have fought so hard to remove because we aren't totally perfect ourselves? Furthermore, we shouldn't express our disdain for those things because we have some historical behaviour that is similar? That is absurd.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 07 Oct 18 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Is this a vindication of non-western cultures due to their more natural, less artificial structures in your eyes? Men built the world? Such a silly view. Where would Napoleon or Caesar or Churchill have been without their mother? Women do most of the manual labour in the world, mainly for far less money and without access to representation, frequently the target of abuse either in Britain or Saudi. Without them are whole society would crumble and burn. Learn some bloody respect. without female cattle, there would be no bovine population. So do they deserve a medal for reproducing ? by the way, its the bulls that get killed in combat. men have a tougher life than women. Especially in Western europe where 1) the nations are flooded by extra men from the third world 2) divorce laws crucify men 3) generous welfare has undermined men's role as provider 4) working-women has caused house prices to skyrocket compared to countries where this is not the norm. since 1946 the floodgates have been opened to single disaffected unskilled young men to enter Europe, often having abandoned a wife and kids back in their home country. Tommy alluded to this. There are more single and/or childless men in Western Europe than ever before...no wonder the whole place is getting colonised by the Third World. the cultures that sprouted the Rape gangs are characterized by a lot of single men immigrating into the UK and end up at a loose end in the UK dating game. Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Oct 2018 3.25pm)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Oct 18 6.46pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
without female cattle, there would be no bovine population. So do they deserve a medal for reproducing ? by the way, its the bulls that get killed in combat. men have a tougher life than women. Especially in Western europe where 1) the nations are flooded by extra men from the third world 2) divorce laws crucify men 3) generous welfare has undermined men's role as provider 4) working-women has caused house prices to skyrocket compared to countries where this is not the norm. since 1946 the floodgates have been opened to single disaffected unskilled young men to enter Europe, often having abandoned a wife and kids back in their home country. Tommy alluded to this. There are more single and/or childless men in Western Europe than ever before...no wonder the whole place is getting colonised by the Third World. the cultures that sprouted the Rape gangs are characterized by a lot of single men immigrating into the UK and end up at a loose end in the UK dating game. Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Oct 2018 3.25pm) This is the sensational thing. You say it yourself: there is a problem in our society with men raping women. But you seem to think it's the man who is primarily affected, as even if they haven't had to endure rape, psychological destruction and physical injury, he has had his pool of mates ever so slightly lessened because of these bloody foreign rapists? Tommy speaks to something of truth. Rape and sexual abuse by men is a horrible, unimaginable crime. The fact that we now have some form of psychological and economic support for these women is amazing, and we now have women's refuges, often set up by feminist networks, which allow women to flee abusive relationships. Any accusation made, be it a pakistani bus driver or Supreme Court judge should be taken incredibly seriously, and the process of trial should be respected and not interfered in by outside parties (and not, for instance, be brought in to disrepute for Youtube hits).
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| Stirlingsays 07 Oct 18 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This is the sensational thing. You say it yourself: there is a problem in our society with men raping women. But you seem to think it's the man who is primarily affected, as even if they haven't had to endure rape, psychological destruction and physical injury, he has had his pool of mates ever so slightly lessened because of these bloody foreign rapists? Tommy speaks to something of truth. Rape and sexual abuse by men is a horrible, unimaginable crime. The fact that we now have some form of psychological and economic support for these women is amazing, and we now have women's refuges, often set up by feminist networks, which allow women to flee abusive relationships. Any accusation made, be it a pakistani bus driver or Supreme Court judge should be taken incredibly seriously, and the process of trial should be respected and not interfered in by outside parties (and not, for instance, be brought in to disrepute for Youtube hits).
People will say what they think of accusations for or against and you can bloody well like it. Accusations, on their own, are 'he said/she said' and little better than gossip.
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| W12 08 Oct 18 12.58pm | |
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I considered myself left wing / socialist right up to about 10 years ago mainly because I believed in fairness and brought up to hate the middle classes. But now people like me are somehow considered right wing or more commonly far right for taking a stand against the madness of the “progressive” (ironic) left. I don’t even know what thread to post in any more but normal people (whether black, white, gay, female or whatever) need to take a stand not just against Islamic extremism and it’s apologists but the radical left in general that is brainwashing our kids and destroying what the western world has built. There are far more existential issues we need to concentrate on like climate change, automation/AI and multiple nuclear and biological threats and the failing western economy. This is one of the reasons I object to Corbyn so much. We need to spread the risk of speaking out because we are being censored for questioning what is simply abhorrent. Many people seem to think peace is a given in a western society because that’s all the last 3-4 genetations have known and that in itself is dangerous thinking.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Oct 18 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I considered myself left wing / socialist right up to about 10 years ago mainly because I believed in fairness and brought up to hate the middle classes. But now people like me are somehow considered right wing or more commonly far right for taking a stand against the madness of the “progressive” (ironic) left. I don’t even know what thread to post in any more but normal people (whether black, white, gay, female or whatever) need to take a stand not just against Islamic extremism and it’s apologists but the radical left in general that is brainwashing our kids and destroying what the western world has built. There are far more existential issues we need to concentrate on like climate change, automation/AI and multiple nuclear and biological threats and the failing western economy. This is one of the reasons I object to Corbyn so much. We need to spread the risk of speaking out because we are being censored for questioning what is simply abhorrent. Many people seem to think peace is a given in a western society because that’s all the last 3-4 genetations have known and that in itself is dangerous thinking. You're a welcome addition to the site. Future threads on all of those issues will be interesting.
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| 7mins In the bush 08 Oct 18 2.27pm |
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Tommy Robinson is a professional s*** stirer... and he's a convicted thug. He feeds off peoples fear.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 18 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Tommy Robinson is a professional s*** stirer... and he's a convicted thug. He feeds off peoples fear. Personally, I'm not one to trust anyone's motives or believe in the cult of personality. Robinson the man I'm sure is a flawed individual, as we all are to a greater or lesser extent, but for me, at least, his qualifications a credible 'politician' are secondary to his ability to raise certain issues for a wider audience. You might think he is a thug or a professional rabble rouser and even if that is true, sometimes you have to get into bed with the devil to fight a bigger devil.
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