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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Jun 16 10.54am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Had you been drinking?

He has no business even being on there. He is a wannabe politician with an ideology he got from Star Trek.

I thought he was more Jeff Vader than Kerkegaard

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 10 Jun 16 11.03am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Australia's system is very flawed. A 'points' system rarely works, as the driver for migration is needs of the nation, not the 'value' of the applicant.

If we're going to have a migration control system, we should devise and use our own, rather than co-opt one that's not actually very fit for purpose and try to adapt it.

We should fix, for example, working migration to companies and charge them for use of external uk labour etc and tie the working visa to the duration of their work.

The Australian points system is largely devised to fulfil a racist social agenda on immigration. If we're going to use working migrant labour, we should place the emphasis on the employer to pay, find and support their workers. This way we have direct control over migration prior to it reaching our borders.

Akin to the sponsorship system in Canada.

We do in fact have a points system. Haven't got time to find it now. But the evidence can be found in a link that Stuk found regarding the do teachers earning under 35k argument in that thread.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jun 16 11.04am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I thought he was more Jeff Vader than Kerkegaard

He's not even a good comedian never mind philosopher.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Jun 16 11.06am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Eddie Izzard on Question Time was totally embarrassing last night.
His pub/student politics cannot be taken seriously and his badgering of Farage for being of foreign decent and having a german wife was pathetic.

What has any of that got to do with controlling migration? The remains and particularly Izzard reached a new low.

Yep he looked a complete fool on QT last night.

Nigel Farage (Palace) abused by Eddi Izzard (Palace fan)

Izzard has missed the boat to label someone racist because they're concerned about the number, level, acceleration and no limiting of immigration. Even Corbyn had to stand up a few weeks ago to say it is not racist, xenophobic or you're a little Englander if you're concerned. But Izzard wouldn't stop, even dozens of people telling him to shut it didn't stop him.

When will these fools open their eyes? They could start with some of the debates. Look at the front row in the previous itv debate when the black female with dreads was painting leave as racist. Plenty of ethnic minorities were clapping the Leavers throughout the whole programme.

 


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johnfirewall Flag 10 Jun 16 11.10am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721


The Australian points system is largely devised to fulfil a racist social agenda on immigration. If we're going to use working migrant labour, we should place the emphasis on the employer to pay, find and support their workers. This way we have direct control over migration prior to it reaching our borders.

I did wonder whether the system could be perceived that way, as with any other that deals with a person's origin. I've no idea how it works but how does it favour certain nationalities? Are points not just awarded on the basis of the applicant's skills?

 

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beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 10 Jun 16 11.40am Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Had you been drinking?

He has no business even being on there. He is a wannabe politician with an ideology he got from Star Trek.

To boldly go and wear what no man has worn before....

 


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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 10 Jun 16 12.34pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Whoever wins, it's going to be close enough for plenty of moaning from the losing side. A 55/45 vote (either way) will mean lots of complaints about underhand tactics, it being a 'fix', people not understanding the issues etc etc.

Most people have already decided one way or the other. It doesn't matter if someone proved that voting Remain would mean immigrants would kick you out of your house and pee on your lawn, or that voting Leave would result in a return to Workhouses and Dickensian levels of poverty, with Nigel Farage becoming King of England. Voting inclinations won't change.

It's the swing vote of undecided voters who are there to be won over- both sides will keep shouting loudly at them right up to the day of the vote. Expect more scaremongering, portents of doom and the like as the various media outlets and politicians try to sway them. Depressing.

 

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davenotamonkey Flag 10 Jun 16 12.40pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It could certainly make life complicated. If you are wanting to restrict the movement of people into your country it is barmy having a back door the size of Ireland for people to waltz through.

Also from an economic perspective the consequences for both Ireland and N Ireland are more fragile due to the way businesses work cross border as well as workers. The two hour drive between Belfast & Dublin could suddenly become a fair bit longer.

The border predates the EU by exactly 70 years. How on earth did we cope before? How does the US cope with "a border the size of" Canada to "waltz through"? Our relationship with Ireland pre-dates the European Project. Get a grip.

 

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corkery Flag Cork City 10 Jun 16 12.50pm Send a Private Message to corkery Add corkery as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It could certainly make life complicated. If you are wanting to restrict the movement of people into your country it is barmy having a back door the size of Ireland for people to waltz through.

Also from an economic perspective the consequences for both Ireland and N Ireland are more fragile due to the way businesses work cross border as well as workers. The two hour drive between Belfast & Dublin could suddenly become a fair bit longer.

They couldn't control the border with 10,000 soldiers. The Common Travel Agreement is around for much longer.

 


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snytaxx Flag London 10 Jun 16 1.06pm Send a Private Message to snytaxx Add snytaxx as a friend

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Whoever wins, it's going to be close enough for plenty of moaning from the losing side. A 55/45 vote (either way) will mean lots of complaints about underhand tactics, it being a 'fix', people not understanding the issues etc etc.

Most people have already decided one way or the other. It doesn't matter if someone proved that voting Remain would mean immigrants would kick you out of your house and pee on your lawn, or that voting Leave would result in a return to Workhouses and Dickensian levels of poverty, with Nigel Farage becoming King of England. Voting inclinations won't change.

It's the swing vote of undecided voters who are there to be won over- both sides will keep shouting loudly at them right up to the day of the vote. Expect more scaremongering, portents of doom and the like as the various media outlets and politicians try to sway them. Depressing.

This is a very good post!

I actually read a very interesting article about this (on the BBC no less). Besides from the entrenched voters who i'd say make up about 40% on each side, there is that 20% who either really dont know, really don't care or both. They will be the king makers. If you want to win over those voters, sadly you probably don't present them a long and probably boring case over why your side of the argument is better, you simply get your name out there and hope it sticks. If you were to use three previous referendums as case studies, two out of three of those have been won by a 'no' campaign which simply aimed to discredit the other side, namely the AV referendum and the North East regional parliament. The beauty of those campaigns is that its hard for the proponents (The YES side) to fight those campaigns without inadvertently repeating back the campaign slogan of their opponent to the electorate. At the time both NO campaigns pushed controversial images indicating that both ideas they were fighting were a waste of time and money, i.e. "he (picture of a British soldier) needs new equipment not a new voting system" and "Prescotts big white elephant" respectively. Interestingly the architect of those two campaigns is also running the Vote Leave campaign in this referendum. When you look at the remain tactics which is basically endless reports warning of economic and social disaster, this was used by the remain side in the Scottish Indy ref two years ago, although it did eventually pay off, some did clearly question its effectiveness against a more positive SNP campaign as many opinions polls had the INDY ref at 40/60 against, yet we ended up with 45/55.

 

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davenotamonkey Flag 10 Jun 16 1.07pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by lancseagle

It's not far off that figure. Whatever the real figure it's better spent over here & not propping up other EU member states failing economy's.

1. It is £350m written on the bus, not £360m
2. This figure is the gross figure
3. The rebate is not only under threat (from the EU, and our fcuk-witted politicians like Blair giving it away) but is not assured - Cameron told us that himself
4. The remaining "EU funds" (our money returned back to us minus the huge handling fee) are not credited to our account. They are 50% "discount" vouchers we MUST spend on what the EU stipulates. This is called "matched spending".
5. What we are "matching" is our own contribution given back to us with a hefty handling fee.
6. We cannot spend this money as we see fit. Need that cash for flood defences in Cockermouth? Tough - the EU has told us to spend it on an arts centre in North Wales: £15m UK taxpayer funds, £12.5m "EU funding" + "Funded by the wonderful EU sign" hanging out the front. Suckers
7. I'm not anti-arts nor culture spending. I want a government elected that provides art spending AND flood defenses, and isn't told by a remote institution which is more important. That's OUR choice.
8. Our NET contribution (we don't get this back) to the EU budget is over £10bn per year. We were told last night this was essentially "peanuts". Give it to me then.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 10 Jun 16 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

The border predates the EU by exactly 70 years. How on earth did we cope before? How does the US cope with "a border the size of" Canada to "waltz through"? Our relationship with Ireland pre-dates the European Project. Get a grip.

What do I need to get a grip about?

Merely stating the fact that it could make life more complicated and the reasons why.

I am fully aware of Irish history thank you.

I am also aware that the border between Canada and America operates in a completely different way to the one between us and Ireland.

Now why don't you go and have a cup of camomile tea, you seem a tad uptight.

 


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