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  georgenorman  30 Jul 24 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Despite the obvious link between mass immigration and the increase in violent crime, it should not be an excuse to evoke some 1960s style racism. The issue here is not about skin colour. It is about the relationship immigrants develop or bring to our society. Many will integrate without problems, some despite years of petty racism, but a significant and growing number see Britain as the enemy despite happily settling or even being born here. A disproportionate number seem to have mental health issues or get sucked into gangs, organised crime or extremism. Despite all of this being predictable and apparent to our politicians, they have increased the rates of immigration as if the results are simply acceptable collateral damage. If you want to hang someone, I'd say that better candidates probably now reside in the two houses of Parliament or in a leafy mansion somewhere nice. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jul 2024 1.28pm) I presume you realise that my comment was not serious and that if we did hang people it should be regardless of race!?
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I saw Starmer's response with a Union Jack in the background - how dare he. He doesn't give a f*** about the country or the people. I have my own feelings about it all AS, which aren't going to differ from yours, but today is not the day for that, nor will it serve any purpose beyond my own despair. Haven't mentioned it thus far but with all the sincerity I have within me, my thoughts are with the victims and the families. It's so awful and it does feel as though a line has been crossed. I hope so anyway.
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| Eaglehamster Storrington 30 Jul 24 1.56pm |
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Doubtless he will be found to be severely mentally ill, then sent to Broadmoor indefinitely. I used to be against the death penalty. However when a human being is so mentally damaged to have slaughtered those poor kids and adults in a preplanned attack, I'd suggest he is in a state beyond help. There is no good reason to keep that person alive at the nation's expence. I'd impose a humane death. If the suspect has been radicalised. Even more reason to execute only this time let them experience the terror of hanging. Never thought I'd feel this way.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
Doubtless he will be found to be severely mentally ill, then sent to Broadmoor indefinitely. I used to be against the death penalty. However when a human being is so mentally damaged to have slaughtered those poor kids and adults in a preplanned attack, I'd suggest he is in a state beyond help. There is no good reason to keep that person alive at the nation's expence. I'd impose a humane death. If the suspect has been radicalised. Even more reason to execute only this time let them experience the terror of hanging. Never thought I'd feel this way. I empathise. I was always opposed to and patronisingly critical of Americans for gun laws and attitudes. Reaching a point however where I do believe citizens should be able to arm themselves as you seemingly can't rely on anyone else to protect you, especially the state, where we may have done previously.
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 becky over the moon 30 Jul 24 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I empathise. I was always opposed to and patronisingly critical of Americans for gun laws and attitudes. Reaching a point however where I do believe citizens should be able to arm themselves as you seemingly can't rely on anyone else to protect you, especially the state, where we may have done previously. An aerosol can of Deep Heat is very popular with a lot of females, especially when you have sore muscles from running away from attackers...... but do be careful not to get any in their eyes, as it has a rather unpleasant and debilitating effect
Edited by becky (30 Jul 2024 2.11pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 24 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I presume you realise that my comment was not serious and that if we did hang people it should be regardless of race!? I did detect the humour. I was really just making a serious point off the back of it.
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| georgenorman 30 Jul 24 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I empathise. I was always opposed to and patronisingly critical of Americans for gun laws and attitudes. Reaching a point however where I do believe citizens should be able to arm themselves as you seemingly can't rely on anyone else to protect you, especially the state, where we may have done previously. The trajectory of movement is towards a kind of Northern Ireland during the Troubles situation but with even more competing groups.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 24 2.24pm |
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I think that, with respect to all other victims, this one has been the most difficult to stomach. Little girls having fun at a school holiday activity in a place of apparent safety. Without knowing the victims, this almost becomes personal. This could be anyone of our children or grandchildren. All we get from politicians is gratitude to the uniforms and heart felt sympathy. That is just hollow words, and it just isn't enough.
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| becky over the moon 30 Jul 24 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think that, with respect to all other victims, this one has been the most difficult to stomach. Little girls having fun at a school holiday activity in a place of apparent safety. Without knowing the victims, this almost becomes personal. This could be anyone of our children or grandchildren. All we get from politicians is gratitude to the uniforms and heart felt sympathy. That is just hollow words, and it just isn't enough. I often wonder how many of the public figures who always reel out the well-worn phrase 'Our thoughts and prayers are with the family/friends/colleagues of the victim(s)' every actually do pray? Jacob Rees-Mogg could well be the exception.
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 30 Jul 24 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
You know the details of the perpetrator then? Serious question. And for clarity, I am suggesting anyone who would immediately look to hijack this for a personal agenda is unwell, whether that be 'blame immigration' or 'protect immigration'. That's not the issue at hand. As someone who can technically classified as 'second generation' I am completely disinterested in any side debate. Where my priority lies is with 'Why did this happen, what has allowed this to happen and most importantly, what needs to be done?'. I'm a father myself, that's all I care about and that is where I would be willing to sacrifice all else. Anyone prioritising otherwise is a gutless coward as far as I am concerned, from politicians to the man on the street. To suggest any notion of being powerless over such things is morally unforgivable but seems to be the state of the nation at the moment. It's moral cowards who need to be removed for anything like justice to prevail. I don't believe people are inherently without morals, they just lack courage and any man should be willing to sacrifice his own interests to protect children. I'll happily admit I feel, as I often do, quite powerless in this situation but I do not just accept that as an inevitability nor will I abandon my own thinking to comfort myself. I fear that many have however and that's where both the far 'left' and 'right' demonstrate their cowardice, as two sides of the same coin, more concerned with the opposing faction than anything resembling truth and therefore solutions to what are horrific circumstances. There is a reason such things are not a rarity anymore and therefore there will be a solution. Seconded, actually talking about the horrendous incident
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| Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 30 Jul 24 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I saw Starmer's response with a Union Jack in the background - how dare he. He doesn't give a f*** about the country or the people. For god sake man, do you ever read anyone's post, read Nicholas91s post, you should be ashamed of making it a pollical issue
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 24 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Children have been murdered in the middle of the day and you're worried about 'due process'. That's your concern? And what 'sanity' are you worried about? The kind of sanity and due process which has allowed this to become a reality? I suggest you read my post again. What concerns me is not due process. It’s the type of attitudes on display here making things worse, not better. Due process is the means to obtain that end. I have read some harrowing accounts of the experiences suffered yesterday which brought me to tears. Making sure that those that survived do well and that those who witnessed it are supported is all that matters right now. We can leave dealing with the suspect to the police and then try to understand how anyone could do something like that. Now isn’t the time for that.
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