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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 31 Dec 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Considering his frame and career as a central defender, Richards is coming on in huge leaps and bounds. Yesterday was by far and away his best game in midfield and he is showing an ability to learn and develop. Incredible and very exciting because it's impossible to know where this growth will end.

It was far from perfect but it was hugely positive and frees up Lerma.

 


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Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 31 Dec 23 10.34am Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I’m chuckling to myself after our MoTD highlights. The commentator makes quite a song and dance in raving about Mateta’s ‘dummy’ for Eze’s goal. Now, I may be wrong, but I’m quite sure he tried to control the ball and it just ran under his foot. Grateful for any other thoughts here but was amusing for me in it seeming so bizarre and only of course, because we won today!

He 100% mis-controlled it, just look at the grimace on his face when the ball slid under his foot!

I was sat right behind it in the Lower Homesdale and you could even tell then that he had intended to control it but had missed it. It was pure luck that it found it’s way through to Eze.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Dec 23 10.37am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

He 100% mis-controlled it, just look at the grimace on his face when the ball slid under his foot!

I was sat right behind it in the Lower Homesdale and you could even tell then that he had intended to control it but had missed it. It was pure luck that it found it’s way through to Eze.

My view entirely.

 

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Martin 78 Flag Caterham 31 Dec 23 10.43am Send a Private Message to Martin 78 Add Martin 78 as a friend

Good all round performance and a much needed 3 points

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Dec 23 10.56am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

After the worst possible start, that was a well earned and deserved win. Let's hope it gives the players the boost in confidence they need.

I think it highlighted the difference between Palace and other teams in the lower half of the table. We have, in Eze and Olise, two players that can produce the extraordinary. If they stay fit, we will be fine.

Ebs actually had a very average game in my opinion. He's still not back to his pre injury best. He did well to anticipate JP's mis-control and took his chance well. Olise is developing into our most influential player.

I understand why Roy has deployed Richards at DM, and he is getting to grips with the role bit by bit, but he and Lerma are not a match made in heaven. If we are going to be active in January, then a midfield specialist is a must.

Olise will rightly have captured the headlines, but a word about Nat Clyne. Very sound again yesterday. As he has been since replacing Ward.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 31 Dec 23 11.02am

Originally posted by NEILLO

After the worst possible start, that was a well earned and deserved win. Let's hope it gives the players the boost in confidence they need.

I think it highlighted the difference between Palace and other teams in the lower half of the table. We have, in Eze and Olise, two players that can produce the extraordinary. If they stay fit, we will be fine.

Ebs actually had a very average game in my opinion. He's still not back to his pre injury best. He did well to anticipate JP's mis-control and took his chance well. Olise is developing into our most influential player.

I understand why Roy has deployed Richards at DM, and he is getting to grips with the role bit by bit, but he and Lerma are not a match made in heaven. If we are going to be active in January, then a midfield specialist is a must.

Olise will rightly have captured the headlines, but a word about Nat Clyne. Very sound again yesterday. As he has been since replacing Ward.

Apart from lettinh Potter get goal side in the first two minutes.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 31 Dec 23 11.04am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

First, Olise is on a different planet, let alone different level to his teammates at the moment - thank the gods he agreed to sign a new deal as I don't think it would be unreasonable to say he was the difference between the two teams yesterday. Eze clearly is still well short of being match sharp, but if they can both stay fit it won't matter who's in charge we should not be anywhere near the relegation zone. After the game Thomas Frank even went up to Olise and clearly congratulated him for his performance he was so good.

I don't think the result tells us that much as Brentford were clearly being held together with sticky back plastic, but nonetheless as the cliché goes, you can only beat the team that is in front of you and we did. I still really hope that Roy can turn things around and go out on a high, but all yesterday really told me was that in Olise we have a new heir to Zaha's throne. The King is dead, long live the King!

Edited by taylors lovechild (31 Dec 2023 11.05am)

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Dec 23 11.20am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by cannoneagle

Lots of people on here talking about facts that Roy always makes late subs which doesnt ring true to me, so I've checked out the last 10 games and these ARE the facts about his subs.....
chelsea 79 / 90
brighton 59 / 70
man city 34 / 80 / 81 / 91
liverpool 45 / 68 / 84 / 95
bournemouth 29 / 69 / 69 / 86
west ham 82 / 87
luton 49 / 54 / 80 / 80
everton 67 / 83 / 89
burnley 58 / 70 / 70 / 86
tottenham 60 / 70 / 70 / 79

I dont think that qualifies as always makes late subs.


Only part of the facts as you haven't explained why the early subs took place, so here we go:

1. The 67th min sub against Everton saw Olise brought on for his long-awaited first game of the season after his June injury. Had he been fully match fit, he would have started the game.

2. The 2 early 2nd half subs in the Luton game arose out of injuries to Eze and Doucoure - nothing tactical about those 2 subs.

3. The 29th min sub against Bournemouth was another injury related necessity (Mitchell).

4. The HT sub against Liverpool was yet another injury forced one (Edouard).

5. The 34th min sub at the Etihad was another injury forced one (Ward)

6. The 59th min sub against Brighton (Hughes) was the only earliish tactical one as I recall as Hughes was in danger of getting a 2nd yellow.

Take those out of the equation and the complaint about Hodgson leaving his subs till too late has merit. Interestingly, in his post-match presser yesterday, Hodgson said how often Palace struggle to hold on to leads in the last part of games. Hasn't he cottoned on to the fact that players getting tired in the final 20 minutes tend to make mistakes (Eze v Chelsea). Brentford got a second wind with their 5 subs on (think fresh legs for half the outfield positions) and had they taken the chances they should have done, we would have only drawn that game. During that spell when they pegged us back it was crystal clear that we needed fresh legs BUT Hodgson refused to budge until the 86th minute.

Until Hodgson starts to make earlier subs and tactical ones to counter the opposition manager's, we will continue to concede goals in the last 10-15 minutes of matches IMO.

Finally, as someone who sits in the Glaziers section of the main stand, I'm fed up of seeing the opposition players scoring those late goals to win or draw matches.

Edited by doombear (31 Dec 2023 11.22am)

Edited by doombear (31 Dec 2023 11.23am)

 

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Den1923 Flag 31 Dec 23 11.33am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

This was a game we had to win and Roy and the team got the job done. As for timing of subs and team selection Roy has the C/V that as he rightly says qualifies him more than most to do this job. I personally feel for him because he has stuck with us doing a very difficult job over the years, even coming out of retirement when Parish could not find anyone to take the job. In the past others have walked away, probably because they were probably not prepared to put their own reputation on the line trying to keep us in this league with little support from the club in terms of team investment. Roy should therefore be applauded for his great achievement. The fact that he now has limited options each week in terms of team selection is not his fault that i'm afraid lies squarely with Parish and his fellow investors who have failed to provide the necessary funds for team strengthening to keep up to speed with other similar teams in this league. AS the old year ends and new one begins I would like say a big thank you to Roy and Ray for the job they are doing and wish them, the team, the club and all of you a very healthy happy and succesful new year...onwards and upwards!

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 31 Dec 23 11.35am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Only part of the facts as you haven't explained why the early subs took place, so here we go:

1. The 67th min sub against Everton saw Olise brought on for his long-awaited first game of the season after his June injury. Had he been fully match fit, he would have started the game.

2. The 2 early 2nd half subs in the Luton game arose out of injuries to Eze and Doucoure - nothing tactical about those 2 subs.

3. The 29th min sub against Bournemouth was another injury related necessity (Mitchell).

4. The HT sub against Liverpool was yet another injury forced one (Edouard).

5. The 34th min sub at the Etihad was another injury forced one (Ward)

6. The 59th min sub against Brighton (Hughes) was the only earliish tactical one as I recall as Hughes was in danger of getting a 2nd yellow.

Take those out of the equation and the complaint about Hodgson leaving his subs till too late has merit. Interestingly, in his post-match presser yesterday, Hodgson said how often Palace struggle to hold on to leads in the last part of games. Hasn't he cottoned on to the fact that players getting tired in the final 20 minutes tend to make mistakes (Eze v Chelsea). Brentford got a second wind with their 5 subs on (think fresh legs for half the outfield positions) and had they taken the chances they should have done, we would have only drawn that game. During that spell when they pegged us back it was crystal clear that we needed fresh legs BUT Hodgson refused to budge until the 86th minute.

Until Hodgson starts to make earlier subs and tactical ones to counter the opposition manager's, we will continue to concede goals in the last 10-15 minutes of matches IMO.

Finally, as someone who sits in the Glaziers section of the main stand, I'm fed up of seeing the opposition players scoring those late goals to win or draw matches.

Edited by doombear (31 Dec 2023 11.22am)

Edited by doombear (31 Dec 2023 11.23am)

An excellent post that logically appraises the situation with irrefutable data, most welcome. I tire of all those defending Hodgson when it comes to substitutions and lack of game time for those youngsters who should be getting a run out, particularly replacing tired looking players and when 2 goals to the good with 20 minutes remaining.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (31 Dec 2023 11.36am)

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 31 Dec 23 11.38am Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Great and much needed result. Olise's finish for the 1st and his against Chelski shows what a great talent he is. He's definitely destined for bigger things. Mateta is growing into his role up front with another supposed solid display, although it wasn't a dummy. Looks like Richards had another solid game in midfield. Still didn't understand why we supposedly went deeper by about 10-20 yards when 3-1 up and invited pressure, making a nervy finish. Luckily we held on and can take some heart from this performance.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Dec 23 11.41am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

This was a game we had to win and Roy and the team got the job done. As for timing of subs and team selection Roy has the C/V that as he rightly says qualifies him more than most to do this job. I personally feel for him because he has stuck with us doing a very difficult job over the years, even coming out of retirement when Parish could not find anyone to take the job. In the past others have walked away, probably because they were probably not prepared to put their own reputation on the line trying to keep us in this league with little support from the club in terms of team investment. Roy should therefore be applauded for his great achievement. The fact that he now has limited options each week in terms of team selection is not his fault that i'm afraid lies squarely with Parish and his fellow investors who have failed to provide the necessary funds for team strengthening to keep up to speed with other similar teams in this league. AS the old year ends and new one begins I would like say a big thank you to Roy and Ray for the job they are doing and wish them, the team, the club and all of you a very healthy happy and succesful new year...onwards and upwards!

I wholeheartedly echo these sentiments.

 

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