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Putitout Flag Oxford 10 Dec 23 10.15am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I've considered that there has been a big club bias ever since the Premier League existed. I have stayed it before but the refs are not FA refs, they are Premier League refs. I wouldn't be surprised if entertainment value for overseas TV audiences is honestly considered. It's not exactly out in the open how the refs work and, frankly, Webb is just an apologist/ scapegoat for a clearly rotten system. I know you probably realise how it works Maple - this is more a post for a wider consideration.
There are now several theses that back the big club bias of refs up too - if anyone cares.

I have felt the same for some time. I get the feeling that Premier football has become a big money production , which might sound innocent, except it relies on massive worldwide audiences , and it’s real money, top money revolves around what TV, the Premier business entity who ever they actually are and half a dozen mega wealthy clubs, the rest get paid well to be bit players, my fear is the referees are to close to what the TV and Business entity want from them. No one yet can be sure of where corruption occurs , but money can move even perceptions of corruption.

 

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Elpis Flag In a pub 10 Dec 23 10.28am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

I have felt the same for some time. I get the feeling that Premier football has become a big money production , which might sound innocent, except it relies on massive worldwide audiences , and it’s real money, top money revolves around what TV, the Premier business entity who ever they actually are and half a dozen mega wealthy clubs, the rest get paid well to be bit players, my fear is the referees are to close to what the TV and Business entity want from them. No one yet can be sure of where corruption occurs , but money can move even perceptions of corruption.

In the cold light of day I don't know why anyone thought it would end any different . From memory every time we play this lot and put up a decent fight the game gets settled by a controversial decision .We always end up talking about a ref or the VAR rather than applauding the teams performance

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 10 Dec 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, not every 'Foul' is worthy of a booking.

Away from the Liverpool game, I have heard words to the effect "There were X amount of bookings but it wasn't a dirty game". I have retorted that not every booking is a result of 'Aggressive' behaviour.

With respect Willo maybe that’s not how referees should be viewing the situation.
A foul is a foul, the game is stopped , the offended lose momentum , only a booking after say three or four will stop it becoming a whole 90 minutes of advantage being gained by stopping the game with a foul. There should be a debate over how any team, and lots do ,get through a game having committed 20. fouls with one very late booking. It’s all very well dealing with technical infringements This should be dealt with As it happens Ayew did what players do every week on his first booking, I think it was the Villa, game someone did it ,no booking , the Liverpool player meant to hit him, he didn’t ,as it happened how’s that for working pathetic rulings over.?

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 23 10.38am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

In the cold light of day I don't know why anyone thought it would end any different . From memory every time we play this lot and put up a decent fight the game gets settled by a controversial decision .We always end up talking about a ref or the VAR rather than applauding the teams performance

There has been much vitriol aimed at the referee but between Andy Madley and the VAR the correct decisions were made in respect of the penalty incidents.

 

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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 10 Dec 23 11.07am Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

One example

Referees have discretion over the addition of extra time at the end of the soccer game to compensate for lost time due to unusual stoppages. This study assesses if referees favor big teams by shortening close games where the big team is ahead and lengthening close games where the big team is behind. The sample comprises all 380 matches in the Spanish La Liga during the 2014–2015 season. The dependent variable was the extra time the referee decides to add to the second half. The independent variables were the score difference, opponent team’s level of play, yellow cards, red cards, player substitutions, average attendance, and fouls committed. Linear regression analysis suggested that the greater the score difference between teams, the less extra time was added by the referee. However, in close games, referees tended to add more time for a higher level team when they were behind and add less time when they were ahead. Red cards and the number of fouls committed increased the extra time.

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The introduction of more Fergie time this season is yet another thing that favours the so called big teams with their huge squads. Also longer to turn around a result that may be considered a bit of an anomaly as you've alluded to.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 10 Dec 23 11.29am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

The introduction of more Fergie time this season is yet another thing that favours the so called big teams with their huge squads. Also longer to turn around a result that may be considered a bit of an anomaly as you've alluded to.

For most clubs ,but in particular the top money big outfits all dealt with , with the aid
of what is it now? 5 top class subs, maybe more I lose track.
It shouldn’t be to hard to see why we are so up against it, I start to think the powers that be , will only continue to turn the screw with the sort of tinkering with set ups ,and rules that we have seen even since we entered the league.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 23 11.42am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

So it balances the books a bit statistically, once the game was settled. Absolute evidence of cheating.

Yep a bit like giving free kicks on the half way line, to balance the books,which seems to happen most games against the big boys

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 23 11.44am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, not every 'Foul' is worthy of a booking.

Away from the Liverpool game, I have heard words to the effect "There were X amount of bookings but it wasn't a dirty game". I have retorted that not every booking is a result of 'Aggressive' behaviour.

Oh come on, you were at the game. Twice, after Ayew red, Konate clattered Mateta no yellow card. If you do not think that there was no difference between our could and theirs, you are taking your defence of refs to a new level
Do you honestly believe no Liverpool player deserved a yellow card until the 98th minute?

Edited by Spiderman (10 Dec 2023 11.46am)

 

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 10 Dec 23 11.57am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

There has been much vitriol aimed at the referee but between Andy Madley and the VAR the correct decisions were made in respect of the penalty incidents.

Yes, in the end both the penalty decisions were correct. What was unacceptable was the gross, almost embarassing imbalance and unfairness involved in the dishing out of cards.

I assume you will now either claim that every decision to award or not to award a card at yesterday's game was correct; or retreat to your normal fall-back position, i.e., that referees make mistakes, but without conceding that Madley made any. Perhaps for good measure you will claim that he refereed "with aplomb", even though I've told you before that that word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

 

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peterg Flag Anerley 10 Dec 23 12.29pm Send a Private Message to peterg Add peterg as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Perhaps he should have pointed out that Liverpool have never lost a game when Andy “scouser” Madleyhas been in charge.
Anyone else think Andersen was having his shirt pulled at the end when his header was saved?

Same as Palace never winning a match when Mark "Willo's hero" Clusterf*** was the ref.

Edited by peterg (10 Dec 2023 12.30pm)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 23 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

Yes, in the end both the penalty decisions were correct. What was unacceptable was the gross, almost embarassing imbalance and unfairness involved in the dishing out of cards.

I assume you will now either claim that every decision to award or not to award a card at yesterday's game was correct; or retreat to your normal fall-back position, i.e., that referees make mistakes, but without conceding that Madley made any. Perhaps for good measure you will claim that he refereed "with aplomb", even though I've told you before that that word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

I have always asserted that referees err from time to time having to make split-second decisions under pressure in a fast moving game.

I have concluded that had we not conceded a goal in the dying embers of the game there would not be the furore about the performance of Andy Madley.
His performance will of course be the subject of 'Forensic' analysis as are the performances of referees throughout the PL.

Finally, I am comfortable with my use of "Ablomb" in the context you highlighted.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 23 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Oh come on, you were at the game. Twice, after Ayew red, Konate clattered Mateta no yellow card. If you do not think that there was no difference between our could and theirs, you are taking your defence of refs to a new level
Do you honestly believe no Liverpool player deserved a yellow card until the 98th minute?

Edited by Spiderman (10 Dec 2023 11.46am)

With respect, Ayew never received a 'Red' as a result of a robust challenge.The 'Red' was as a result of a second 'Yellow' for a foul preventing a counter-attack.

Clearly there are alternative viewpoints about individual refereeing decisions as there are in most games.
It would appear that to many supporters and those at the club, Andy Madley is a "Blighter" and "Persona Non Grata".

Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 1.01pm)

 

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