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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I've considered that there has been a big club bias ever since the Premier League existed. I have stayed it before but the refs are not FA refs, they are Premier League refs. I wouldn't be surprised if entertainment value for overseas TV audiences is honestly considered. It's not exactly out in the open how the refs work and, frankly, Webb is just an apologist/ scapegoat for a clearly rotten system. I know you probably realise how it works Maple - this is more a post for a wider consideration. I have felt the same for some time. I get the feeling that Premier football has become a big money production , which might sound innocent, except it relies on massive worldwide audiences , and it’s real money, top money revolves around what TV, the Premier business entity who ever they actually are and half a dozen mega wealthy clubs, the rest get paid well to be bit players, my fear is the referees are to close to what the TV and Business entity want from them. No one yet can be sure of where corruption occurs , but money can move even perceptions of corruption.
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Originally posted by Putitout
I have felt the same for some time. I get the feeling that Premier football has become a big money production , which might sound innocent, except it relies on massive worldwide audiences , and it’s real money, top money revolves around what TV, the Premier business entity who ever they actually are and half a dozen mega wealthy clubs, the rest get paid well to be bit players, my fear is the referees are to close to what the TV and Business entity want from them. No one yet can be sure of where corruption occurs , but money can move even perceptions of corruption. In the cold light of day I don't know why anyone thought it would end any different . From memory every time we play this lot and put up a decent fight the game gets settled by a controversial decision .We always end up talking about a ref or the VAR rather than applauding the teams performance
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect, not every 'Foul' is worthy of a booking. Away from the Liverpool game, I have heard words to the effect "There were X amount of bookings but it wasn't a dirty game". I have retorted that not every booking is a result of 'Aggressive' behaviour. With respect Willo maybe that’s not how referees should be viewing the situation.
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Originally posted by Elpis
In the cold light of day I don't know why anyone thought it would end any different . From memory every time we play this lot and put up a decent fight the game gets settled by a controversial decision .We always end up talking about a ref or the VAR rather than applauding the teams performance There has been much vitriol aimed at the referee but between Andy Madley and the VAR the correct decisions were made in respect of the penalty incidents.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
One example Referees have discretion over the addition of extra time at the end of the soccer game to compensate for lost time due to unusual stoppages. This study assesses if referees favor big teams by shortening close games where the big team is ahead and lengthening close games where the big team is behind. The sample comprises all 380 matches in the Spanish La Liga during the 2014–2015 season. The dependent variable was the extra time the referee decides to add to the second half. The independent variables were the score difference, opponent team’s level of play, yellow cards, red cards, player substitutions, average attendance, and fouls committed. Linear regression analysis suggested that the greater the score difference between teams, the less extra time was added by the referee. However, in close games, referees tended to add more time for a higher level team when they were behind and add less time when they were ahead. Red cards and the number of fouls committed increased the extra time. The introduction of more Fergie time this season is yet another thing that favours the so called big teams with their huge squads. Also longer to turn around a result that may be considered a bit of an anomaly as you've alluded to.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
The introduction of more Fergie time this season is yet another thing that favours the so called big teams with their huge squads. Also longer to turn around a result that may be considered a bit of an anomaly as you've alluded to. For most clubs ,but in particular the top money big outfits all dealt with , with the aid
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
So it balances the books a bit statistically, once the game was settled. Absolute evidence of cheating. Yep a bit like giving free kicks on the half way line, to balance the books,which seems to happen most games against the big boys
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect, not every 'Foul' is worthy of a booking. Away from the Liverpool game, I have heard words to the effect "There were X amount of bookings but it wasn't a dirty game". I have retorted that not every booking is a result of 'Aggressive' behaviour. Oh come on, you were at the game. Twice, after Ayew red, Konate clattered Mateta no yellow card. If you do not think that there was no difference between our could and theirs, you are taking your defence of refs to a new level Edited by Spiderman (10 Dec 2023 11.46am)
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Originally posted by Willo
There has been much vitriol aimed at the referee but between Andy Madley and the VAR the correct decisions were made in respect of the penalty incidents. Yes, in the end both the penalty decisions were correct. What was unacceptable was the gross, almost embarassing imbalance and unfairness involved in the dishing out of cards. I assume you will now either claim that every decision to award or not to award a card at yesterday's game was correct; or retreat to your normal fall-back position, i.e., that referees make mistakes, but without conceding that Madley made any. Perhaps for good measure you will claim that he refereed "with aplomb", even though I've told you before that that word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Perhaps he should have pointed out that Liverpool have never lost a game when Andy “scouser” Madleyhas been in charge. Same as Palace never winning a match when Mark "Willo's hero" Clusterf*** was the ref. Edited by peterg (10 Dec 2023 12.30pm)
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Originally posted by JRW2
Yes, in the end both the penalty decisions were correct. What was unacceptable was the gross, almost embarassing imbalance and unfairness involved in the dishing out of cards. I assume you will now either claim that every decision to award or not to award a card at yesterday's game was correct; or retreat to your normal fall-back position, i.e., that referees make mistakes, but without conceding that Madley made any. Perhaps for good measure you will claim that he refereed "with aplomb", even though I've told you before that that word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. I have always asserted that referees err from time to time having to make split-second decisions under pressure in a fast moving game. I have concluded that had we not conceded a goal in the dying embers of the game there would not be the furore about the performance of Andy Madley. Finally, I am comfortable with my use of "Ablomb" in the context you highlighted.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Oh come on, you were at the game. Twice, after Ayew red, Konate clattered Mateta no yellow card. If you do not think that there was no difference between our could and theirs, you are taking your defence of refs to a new level Edited by Spiderman (10 Dec 2023 11.46am) With respect, Ayew never received a 'Red' as a result of a robust challenge.The 'Red' was as a result of a second 'Yellow' for a foul preventing a counter-attack. Clearly there are alternative viewpoints about individual refereeing decisions as there are in most games. Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 1.01pm)
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