The reason we have mass immigration is multi factored.

Let me make it plain who the people are with the agendas to support mass immigration into first world countries.

1) The Banking lobby.
2) The Business lobby
3) Idealogical 'third worldists'....or the general progressive movement on the left.
4) Immigrants

Modern Government is essentially working for interest groups and donors more so than any majority, because these groups are the main funding for these parties and the ones giving them jobs once their political careers end....he who pays the piper.

The banking lobby want mass immigration as more people means houses thus mortgages become more expensive and thus they and the government make more money.

The business lobby want more mass immigration as more people means wage suppression for the job marketplace and less training requirements for them. Less houses mean more renters, which means more money for landlords who buy up more properties thus even less home owners...one consequence breeds another.

The progressives want more mass immigration because....Well, many books have been written on that one...but let's be trite and just say....Daddy issues.

Immigrants want mass immigration because they want a better life.

However leaving aside the nationalist arguments that I have against non European immigration for crime, cultural and social cohesion reasons there are numerous long term economic reasons to be against the effect of mass immigration....Some of which I have just detailed. Graphs literally show house prices rising from the late nineties once immigration levels went significantly up....It's hardly rocket science..they are just not spoken about in the mainstream, because they are worse outcomes for the working classes....and done deliberately for short term gain....Which is the main criticism of democracy in a neoliberal era.

I'll say again, policies deliberately pursued for short term gain by left and right for the same reasons. They don't build the houses and infrastructure because that's very expensive and instead do this....even though it literally worsens everything longer term.

That's not even touching the stagnation of real wages while inflation has outpaced it making people poorer day to day...but that's another chunk of neoliberalism.

It's a matter of some amusement that these anti worker policies are supported in the modern day by the mainstream left and their fruitcake progressive wing...which to be fair to them is most of their base.

But the stark reality is that....even though many of them aren't smart enough to understand it....these people are foot soldiers for the same aims of big business and the rich bankers because a bit of rainbow flag and pro out group talk gives them a stiffy.

Anyone with an historical understanding of these movements has to laugh.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Nov 2023 4.54pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Obviously that's because they are mainly young men and being a minority most of them will retain their ethnic in group preference.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I might move to another country and prefer to stick with other Brits of my age and be in my twenties but nobody would refer to us as 'Fighting age' men' we'd be called 'young men' or 'Young British men', wouldn't we?

I’ll answer it. It’s just another weaponisation from the right and a way for them to make immigrants sound further like enemies. It’s quite transparent really. But you won’t get any of them to admit this of course.

It seems that the Dublin riots did indeed bring global eyes onto the situation in ireland. And especially the draconian "hate speech" bill they are trying to pass.

With the likes of Elon musk getting involved and investigating Ireland twitter files. And piers Morgan talking about the situation. And many more in America and Australia.

I guess you were right earlier in the thread stirlingsays. Not.oftennwe disagree on somthing. If as I said a candle lit vigil should have happened we would not have seen the massive media attention outside of Ireland putting pressure on the Irish government.

But then I have never condone that riots and violence and burning things is the answer.

Edited by eaglesdare (27 Nov 2023 5.22pm)

Edited by eaglesdare (27 Nov 2023 5.22pm)

You don’t half post some bollox

Edited by cryrst (27 Nov 2023 6.34pm)