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 Stirlingsays  08 Jul 24 6.17pm |
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This outcome is the planned manipulation of the electoral system to keep out the natural winner. In actual reality National Rally increased their nation vote by 4 percent and the leftist vote declined by 3 percent. Yet Macron has handed them major power instead of Le Penn, seemingly out of desperation and the belief that it's somehow a better outcome.
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cryrst  The garden of England 08 Jul 24 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Macron hasn’t won. His party came second to a left leaning coalition. Between them they will doubtless try to form a centre left coalition. What the majority very clearly wanted was to keep the RN out of government. That was their priority and they achieved it. Unrest will only come about if the right cannot accept they have been out thought and have lost. Like the left antifa types who couldn’t accept the first round of votes and tore it up all over France. whuch you never commented on !, that though was nothing compared to what antifa will do when trump wins. this time though i doubt he will let it carry on like last time.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 08 Jul 24 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Are they all so extreme, or just a handful of them? Better that the centre deal with the centre left than the hard right, but time will tell. If Le Pen can swallow her pride and accept being a junior partner with only some minor ministries where there is common ground on what needs to be done, then the door might be opened for her. The lefty who pulled the coalition together is almost demanding that he takes the lead role. He is hard left. Le Pen will get nothing, certainly not Immigration Minister, which is probably what a large percentage of the French population were concerned about.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 24 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Macron hasn’t won. His party came second to a left leaning coalition. Between them they will doubtless try to form a centre left coalition. What the majority very clearly wanted was to keep the RN out of government. That was their priority and they achieved it. Unrest will only come about if the right cannot accept they have been out thought and have lost. It's not the right who have a problem with losing. However, they might have a problem with the electoral system being manipulated. It will only be temporary. Things will only get worse as immigration increases.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 24 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Like the left antifa types who couldn’t accept the first round of votes and tore it up all over France. whuch you never commented on !, that though was nothing compared to what antifa will do when trump wins. this time though i doubt he will let it carry on like last time. Political rioting is hardly anything new in France. So not really newsworthy. What would happen if Trump did win is unpredictable but I don’t think everyone will be best pleased that someone who tried to overturn democracy, and is a convicted felon, has not only been allowed to stand but has won. That won’t be restricted to the types prepared to take to the streets in protest but many law abiding citizens who will look for other ways to register their disquiet.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 24 7.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Political rioting is hardly anything new in France. So not really newsworthy. What would happen if Trump did win is unpredictable but I don’t think everyone will be best pleased that someone who tried to overturn democracy, and is a convicted felon, has not only been allowed to stand but has won. That won’t be restricted to the types prepared to take to the streets in protest but many law abiding citizens who will look for other ways to register their disquiet. I'm sure the Democrats will see to that, like they did last time he won.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 24 7.35pm |
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That Macron has realised that he needed to focus the minds, not only of the politicians but of the people themselves, of the threat that the rise of populism posed, is to his great credit. It’s not something to be condemned if you identify and expose their primary concern and then find a way to overcome it. Now the challenge is to bring about a stable government that can go forward together, concentrating on common goals, the central one of which will likely be to ensure the hard right remain on the margins.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 24 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm sure the Democrats will see to that, like they did last time he won. The media don’t need to attack Trump! Just reporting his words and actions and showing his behaviour is more than enough. Analysis is not needed.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 24 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The media don’t need to attack Trump! Just reporting his words and actions and showing his behaviour is more than enough. Analysis is not needed. More avoidance of the truth by the champion of bulls***.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 24 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's not the right who have a problem with losing. However, they might have a problem with the electoral system being manipulated. It will only be temporary. Things will only get worse as immigration increases. It hasn’t though been manipulated has it? Politicians have cooperated and compromised, within the system, to ensure a common goal was achieved. How often have we argued that our politicians should do the same and stop just opposing but find ways to cooperate to make sure we get things done. You are of the right, so you won’t understand how strongly others feel that populist right sentiment must be resisted. Of course legally and democratically, but also firmly and with determination.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 24 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It hasn’t though been manipulated has it? Politicians have cooperated and compromised, within the system, to ensure a common goal was achieved. How often have we argued that our politicians should do the same and stop just opposing but find ways to cooperate to make sure we get things done. You are of the right, so you won’t understand how strongly others feel that populist right sentiment must be resisted. Of course legally and democratically, but also firmly and with determination. What I understand is that self serving scumbag politicians will do anything to protect their jobs, including jumping into bed with the loony far left. I doubt they will hold back the tide much longer. Europe is dying by its own hand. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Jul 2024 7.51pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 24 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
More avoidance of the truth by the champion of bulls***. I suspect the media could show Trump shooting someone on 5th Avenue and some here would claim it was just bs. Or Antifa. Or Hunter Biden in disguise.
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