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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 29 May 23 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not true, see Japan.....See Singapore. This was not a required path and it's not true to suggest it was. Here we go again. This has been answered countless times but still resurfaces as though it's a fact. Singapore is tiny, but prosperous, especially after Hong Kong returned to China and international businesses relocated their far eastern HQs there. 40% of the population are immigrants! I've been there. Have you? Japan has much more immigration than you seem to think it does, and has acknowledged the need to find working age people. The issue is as much about people not wanting to go there, presumably because of language problems, as anything else. Its culture, history and geographical position makes any kind of comparison meaningless but, of course, those with a political agenda such as yours will make them anyway. They face the same issues as us but I suspect will have more problems than us in finding solutions. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nonsense. Governments often need to take decisions that whilst unpopular are necessary. This is but one example. Governments are given a mandate to govern and not a set of instructions. How they manage the side effects of any necessary decision is a legitimate area for criticism but not the need to take the decision itself. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It very much does matter. Hypocrisy matters. The person who says one thing but behaves in the opposite fashion gets to hear about it. When you push your opinion on immigration I will occasionally repeat your hypocrisy. You are not required to like it but they say the truth hurts don't they. Oh I see, you like the people living around you to be filtered by behaviour do you? Errrr, who doesn't genius. So again, one rule for you but others get what they are served. By reducing social cohesion you create the very opposite.
I completely reject any suggestion that my decision to live here is hypocritical, for the reasons explained in my previous post, and many times before. I am beginning to think you have difficulties either in reading or comprehending. You don't live in a big city, like London, anymore than I do, yet offer far more opinions on the situation there. I talk about the general principles behind the need for immigration and not the side effects in localities. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, thanks for that rather pointless paragraph.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 May 23 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Doesn't mean we're not all related or whatever hippie spin can be put on it. How far back do you want to go? Surely only far as is actually relevant and when mankind first started to seek new lands seems more appropriate than when a fish first learned to walk.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 May 23 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
have you seen the rate of Longterm unemployment among some groups entering the country ? coupled to high fertility.........how can you argue that that is good for the economy ? nothwithstanding a refusal to learn English or to separate from one's own community.....effectively creating unemployment mono-cultural ghettos in parts of the country. ...places where English is a second language, and people from country x, or y, or z will avoid like the plague. Multi-culturalism is a street with fifty or a hundred nationalities......not the case in some Northern Towns. Edited by PalazioVecchio (28 May 2023 11.56pm) These are all side effects. Important and needing much thought and work, some of it urgent, but nonetheless temporary and not permanent. The solutions are patience, tenacity and a lot of effort. All of which we possess in abundance. Or at least most of us do. I have seen a lot of progress made in the last few years, alongside the doom and gloom that is the common currency in these pages. We'll get there.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 29 May 23 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
These are all side effects. Important and needing much thought and work, some of it urgent, but nonetheless temporary and not permanent. The solutions are patience, tenacity and a lot of effort. consider the boys who did the 7/7 bombings in London. Had they grown up with some Polish-Christian neighbours, or French-African or Chinese Buddhist..........then maybe they would not have gone over to radical-Islam. it is very dangerous for any society to have a ''them and us'' attitude. Northern Ireland, The Balkans, 1930s Germany. Immigration is the cause, lack of Integration is the subsequent problem. And getting onto 'Lack of Integration' .... we must be tolerant and tolerate cultures that refuse to allow their women to Integrate with British Men ? Either by 'their women' being locked up in a kitchen or them living 5,000 miles away. is that equitable ? does that lead to a better society ? a society with a male-biased gender balance will always be violent and edgy. Such are the lessons of History & sociology. Edited by PalazioVecchio (29 May 2023 4.30pm)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 29 May 23 5.00pm |
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Bradford, Southall, there are areas of a lot of UK cities where there are enclaves of immigrants who have shown little appetite for integration , or appreciation of the cultures of their host country. Indeed some people of these areas are openly hostile to their hosts cultures and their people.
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Teddy Eagle  29 May 23 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How far back do you want to go? Surely only far as is actually relevant and when mankind first started to seek new lands seems more appropriate than when a fish first learned to walk. One nanosecond after the Big Bang.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 May 23 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
One nanosecond after the Big Bang. Better times
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 29 May 23 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Bradford, Southall, there are areas of a lot of UK cities where there are enclaves of immigrants who have shown little appetite for integration , or appreciation of the cultures of their host country. Indeed some people of these areas are openly hostile to their hosts cultures and their people. the zany & controversial Katie Hopkins opined that our version of multiculturalism consisted of a load of differently flavoured ghettos. one big indicator was what friends ( & spouses) people had. It is clear that integration has fallen far short from the ideal.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 May 23 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Better times If the Big Crunch theory is right we'll have them back in about 8 billion years so that's something to look forward to when things seem bleak.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 May 23 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If the Big Crunch theory is right we'll have them back in about 8 billion years so that's something to look forward to when things seem bleak. But the burning question is will we have won anything?
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| Teddy Eagle 29 May 23 7.25pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
But the burning question is will we have won anything? Well 8 billion years is a pretty long time but...no.
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| Stirlingsays 29 May 23 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Here we go again. This has been answered countless times but still resurfaces as though it's a fact. Singapore is tiny, but prosperous, especially after Hong Kong returned to China and international businesses relocated their far eastern HQs there. 40% of the population are immigrants! I've been there. Have you? Japan has much more immigration than you seem to think it does, and has acknowledged the need to find working age people. The issue is as much about people not wanting to go there, presumably because of language problems, as anything else. Its culture, history and geographical position makes any kind of comparison meaningless but, of course, those with a political agenda such as yours will make them anyway. They face the same issues as us but I suspect will have more problems than us in finding solutions. It's been lied about countless times with disingenuous language that tries to deceive like you have here. The vast amount of immigration into Singapore is Asian, it is not diverse. The suggestion that it is in anyway comparable to what is happening in Europe is a bare face lie. Similarly the amount of immigration into Japan is tiny and it is also vastly Asian. It is extremely hard as a foreigner to become a naturalised Japanese precisely because they know what that future brings. Immigration mainly comes as imported workers on visa. Once again you have been caught trying to manipulate the truth and give a false impression. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nonsense. Governments often need to take decisions that whilst unpopular are necessary. This is but one example. Governments are given a mandate to govern and not a set of instructions. How they manage the side effects of any necessary decision is a legitimate area for criticism but not the need to take the decision itself. That is no different to the justifications of a dictatorship. In reality, prospective governments are expected to tell their voters what the plan to do in manifestos. The whole point is to hold them to their promises. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I completely reject any suggestion that my decision to live here is hypocritical, for the reasons explained in my previous post, and many times before. I am beginning to think you have difficulties either in reading or comprehending. You don't live in a big city, like London, anymore than I do, yet offer far more opinions on the situation there. I talk about the general principles behind the need for immigration and not the side effects in localities. You are a hypocrite and you have been called out on this by more than me. You are just another cake and eat it merchant. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not the least pointless. It points out which one of us is actually a hypocrite! And how just might that be? Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2023 8.22pm)
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