Agree with you there TP. They did what they were allowed to and had to do to get the respected point. Shame we didnt . Has anyone counted the ammount of points we have lost from winning positions ? 2 of the best attacking players taken off last night and replaced with Royball players . Attack is the best form of defence IMO . But fair play to Brentford they took advantage of it . Hate that German t*** though smug crout.

Can someone tell me how they got their goal. From where I was sitting all i could see was a Brentford forward with a free unmarked header right in the middle of the penalty area

The most disappointing thing for me was to see Ward, who I thought had a great game until he was displaced from left back and then didn’t appear to know where to play.

We were in total control defensively as a four and in my opinion the way to counter an all out attack should be by bolstering the midfield, not the defence. I would have preferred to see us finish the game in 4-5-1 which can translate back into a 4-3-3 in transition. All we really did by going 5 at the back was to say, see if you can break us down which they did once and could have scored twice more.

If they have been practicing 5 at the back then it was very poor in its execution but you have to question its wisdom in the first place.

Another thing I noticed was Olise quite clearly not impressed he was taken off, huffing and blowing in the dugout.

PV needs to learn that “shutting up shop” and messing around with the back 4 simply doesn’t work.

Last year he tried he against Brighton (twice), arsenal away and again last night. All 4 games we conceded in the 87th minute or later.

I don't think he ever has really ST from my memory, very much a 'stay at home' keeper, or 'shot-stopper' to put a more positive spin on it.

Anyway you look at it, over the course he has been a fantastic signing for us and a brilliant keeper, one of our best for x amount of time I'd argue. Butland was brought in but very much looked the polar opposite to VG unhelpfully, might be tall and (I'm guessing don't actually know) commanding but looked 'Hennessey-esque' at times, liable to concede any 'worldy' fired at him from range.

In an ideal world, you'd want a keeper that could command a box including aerially but also have faith in one-on-ones or 'shot-stopping'. I was under the impression Johnstone could be that but I personally haven't seen anything of him yet, at all, literally. On that note is he still out or being left out?

I think VG's tenure is reaching the end of it's lifespan and I genuinely wish him all the best whatever happens and will be eternally grateful but I am hoping Sam J will step up to that proverbial plate.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!