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W12 14 Jun 22 9.19am
Originally posted by BlueJay You aint kidding. I wonder how bad it will get. This must be a big surprise to the economists and bankers. [Link] Who would have known that shutting down the economy for two years, limitless money creation and paying millions of people to do nothing would have caused inflation? There is no way out of this as either raising interest rates or printing more money will result in disaster.
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W12 14 Jun 22 9.19am

Originally posted by BlueJay

You aint kidding. I wonder how bad it will get.

This must be a big surprise to the economists and bankers.

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Who would have known that shutting down the economy for two years, limitless money creation and paying millions of people to do nothing would have caused inflation?

There is no way out of this as either raising interest rates or printing more money will result in disaster.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jun 22 10.08am
Originally posted by W12 This must be a big surprise to the economists and bankers. [Link] Who would have known that shutting down the economy for two years, limitless money creation and paying millions of people to do nothing would have caused inflation? There is no way out of this as either raising interest rates or printing more money will result in disaster. They got away with it post 2008 and thought they could again. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Jun 22 10.08am

Originally posted by W12

This must be a big surprise to the economists and bankers.

[Link]

Who would have known that shutting down the economy for two years, limitless money creation and paying millions of people to do nothing would have caused inflation?

There is no way out of this as either raising interest rates or printing more money will result in disaster.

They got away with it post 2008 and thought they could again.

COYP

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W12 14 Jun 22 10.19am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman They got away with it post 2008 and thought they could again. "Too big to fail" Nobody went to prison. Last time they took our money indirectly via "bail outs". This time the law has been changed to allow them to "bail in" (take your money directly) The whole thing was/is a scam. If businesses are not allowed to fail then there is no free market. Add in regulatory capture and It's a just a cartel of criminals. I suspect this time they will let inflation just run which will get rid of the debt and allow them to buy up resources like private property at bargain basement prices. The whole system is rotten.
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W12 14 Jun 22 10.19am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

They got away with it post 2008 and thought they could again.

"Too big to fail"

Nobody went to prison.

Last time they took our money indirectly via "bail outs". This time the law has been changed to allow them to "bail in" (take your money directly)

The whole thing was/is a scam.

If businesses are not allowed to fail then there is no free market. Add in regulatory capture and It's a just a cartel of criminals.

I suspect this time they will let inflation just run which will get rid of the debt and allow them to buy up resources like private property at bargain basement prices.

The whole system is rotten.

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BlueJay UK 14 Jun 22 10.48am
Originally posted by W12 This must be a big surprise to the economists and bankers. [Link] Who would have known that shutting down the economy for two years, limitless money creation and paying millions of people to do nothing would have caused inflation? There is no way out of this as either raising interest rates or printing more money will result in disaster. Covid, Brexit (not saying it wasa bad choice, just £££ consequences in the coming years), War. In whatever way we resonded to the above we were likely to be in a version of where we are now. With them being closer to global than local issues for the most part. We are where we are, and like every other challenge in life, you can but do your best.. Certainly tough times ahead, though I find that for many the default is that people are so squeezed anyway that the 'good times' are often pretty crap, and the bad more so. Little option in life but to do a combination of making your own luck and helping others when you can.
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BlueJay

UK 14 Jun 22 10.48am

Originally posted by W12

This must be a big surprise to the economists and bankers.

[Link]

Who would have known that shutting down the economy for two years, limitless money creation and paying millions of people to do nothing would have caused inflation?

There is no way out of this as either raising interest rates or printing more money will result in disaster.

Covid, Brexit (not saying it wasa bad choice, just £££ consequences in the coming years), War. In whatever way we resonded to the above we were likely to be in a version of where we are now. With them being closer to global than local issues for the most part. We are where we are, and like every other challenge in life, you can but do your best.. Certainly tough times ahead, though I find that for many the default is that people are so squeezed anyway that the 'good times' are often pretty crap, and the bad more so. Little option in life but to do a combination of making your own luck and helping others when you can.

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The groover Danbury 14 Jun 22 1.17pm
The latest stock market, inflation, fuel price issue's is 100% due to the War in Ukraine. Volitivity is the name of the game at present and you can bet that brokers will be using the current situation to cause big drops in share prices from time to time. They do so to trigger the stop loss values they encourage people to set. i.e. If the price of your shares drop to X in value automatically sell all or part of your holding. Thus causing the prices to drop more which then hits the secondary stop loss values (selling the remaining stock if part is sold first time). Once the first is hit they sit back wait for the second and then dive in and pick up the shares cheap. Personally I look at this as a buy opportunity. You only lose money if 1/ You sell low or 2/ The company goes bust. I buy monthly by DD and have increased the amount of my companies shares I buy to the max (We get one free share for every 3 we buy). I've also doubled the amount I buy via my ISA. I could catch a cold but I look long term and not short term. This war will end, Putin will die/get assassinated. But if he does push the button then it matters not what the stock market does as we are all Brown bread anyway.
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Danbury 14 Jun 22 1.17pm

The latest stock market, inflation, fuel price issue's is 100% due to the War in Ukraine. Volitivity is the name of the game at present and you can bet that brokers will be using the current situation to cause big drops in share prices from time to time.

They do so to trigger the stop loss values they encourage people to set. i.e. If the price of your shares drop to X in value automatically sell all or part of your holding. Thus causing the prices to drop more which then hits the secondary stop loss values (selling the remaining stock if part is sold first time). Once the first is hit they sit back wait for the second and then dive in and pick up the shares cheap.

Personally I look at this as a buy opportunity. You only lose money if 1/ You sell low or 2/ The company goes bust.

I buy monthly by DD and have increased the amount of my companies shares I buy to the max (We get one free share for every 3 we buy). I've also doubled the amount I buy via my ISA.

I could catch a cold but I look long term and not short term. This war will end, Putin will die/get assassinated. But if he does push the button then it matters not what the stock market does as we are all Brown bread anyway.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jun 22 7.24pm
Originally posted by The groover The latest stock market, inflation, fuel price issue's is 100% due to the War in Ukraine. Volitivity is the name of the game at present and you can bet that brokers will be using the current situation to cause big drops in share prices from time to time. They do so to trigger the stop loss values they encourage people to set. i.e. If the price of your shares drop to X in value automatically sell all or part of your holding. Thus causing the prices to drop more which then hits the secondary stop loss values (selling the remaining stock if part is sold first time). Once the first is hit they sit back wait for the second and then dive in and pick up the shares cheap. Personally I look at this as a buy opportunity. You only lose money if 1/ You sell low or 2/ The company goes bust. I buy monthly by DD and have increased the amount of my companies shares I buy to the max (We get one free share for every 3 we buy). I've also doubled the amount I buy via my ISA. I could catch a cold but I look long term and not short term. This war will end, Putin will die/get assassinated. But if he does push the button then it matters not what the stock market does as we are all Brown bread anyway. Firstly it isn’t 100% down to Ukraine. There are big supply and pent up demand issues since covid. Secondly stop losses are there for a reason. Markets break out of ranges and can stay out of those ranges for a seriously long time. Either you have the initial margin or you don’t and you have to liquidate (exit) your position as you say. You could be seriously offside on your position for a very long time, and that can be because of macroeconomic reasons rather than traders manipulating markets and setting off stop limits. I expect that could be the case now. We are only at the bottom of a recent range so don’t be shocked to see markets dump. If they’re clever they’ll do it when the wealthy and retired are in Tuscany and France having their first hot drink of the day, but then again it could come when several institutions spot a major one is adjusting its exposure, or someone in a central bank like the ECB or the treasury has alerted everyone that the situation is even worse than the smart money thought. Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Jun 2022 8.36pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Jun 22 7.24pm

Originally posted by The groover

Personally I look at this as a buy opportunity. You only lose money if 1/ You sell low or 2/ The company goes bust.

I buy monthly by DD and have increased the amount of my companies shares I buy to the max (We get one free share for every 3 we buy). I've also doubled the amount I buy via my ISA.

Firstly it isn’t 100% down to Ukraine. There are big supply and pent up demand issues since covid. Secondly stop losses are there for a reason. Markets break out of ranges and can stay out of those ranges for a seriously long time. Either you have the initial margin or you don’t and you have to liquidate (exit) your position as you say. You could be seriously offside on your position for a very long time, and that can be because of macroeconomic reasons rather than traders manipulating markets and setting off stop limits. I expect that could be the case now. We are only at the bottom of a recent range so don’t be shocked to see markets dump. If they’re clever they’ll do it when the wealthy and retired are in Tuscany and France having their first hot drink of the day, but then again it could come when several institutions spot a major one is adjusting its exposure, or someone in a central bank like the ECB or the treasury has alerted everyone that the situation is even worse than the smart money thought.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Jun 2022 8.36pm)

COYP

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Stirlingsays 14 Jun 22 7.43pm
Originally posted by The groover The latest stock market, inflation, fuel price issue's is 100% due to the War in Ukraine. Volitivity is the name of the game at present and you can bet that brokers will be using the current situation to cause big drops in share prices from time to time. They do so to trigger the stop loss values they encourage people to set. i.e. If the price of your shares drop to X in value automatically sell all or part of your holding. Thus causing the prices to drop more which then hits the secondary stop loss values (selling the remaining stock if part is sold first time). Once the first is hit they sit back wait for the second and then dive in and pick up the shares cheap. Personally I look at this as a buy opportunity. You only lose money if 1/ You sell low or 2/ The company goes bust. I buy monthly by DD and have increased the amount of my companies shares I buy to the max (We get one free share for every 3 we buy). I've also doubled the amount I buy via my ISA. I could catch a cold but I look long term and not short term. This war will end, Putin will die/get assassinated. But if he does push the button then it matters not what the stock market does as we are all Brown bread anyway. I think you're right about energy....but it was going up before the war....and I don't want to minimise the costs of the Ukrainian war because that is also a disaster and probably a long term one as well unless radical change in direction is undertaken .....but I view it as more the cherry on top than the prime driver. I never supported the policies that formed the covid response nor the Ukrainian war....both causes and response. But what individuals think doesn't matter....so long term I hope you're right.....but things are going to get worse rather than better and not many people seem to realise that at the moment. Just what 'long term' actually equates to though is hard to say. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2022 7.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Jun 22 7.43pm

Originally posted by The groover

Personally I look at this as a buy opportunity. You only lose money if 1/ You sell low or 2/ The company goes bust.

I buy monthly by DD and have increased the amount of my companies shares I buy to the max (We get one free share for every 3 we buy). I've also doubled the amount I buy via my ISA.

I think you're right about energy....but it was going up before the war....and I don't want to minimise the costs of the Ukrainian war because that is also a disaster and probably a long term one as well unless radical change in direction is undertaken .....but I view it as more the cherry on top than the prime driver.

I never supported the policies that formed the covid response nor the Ukrainian war....both causes and response.

But what individuals think doesn't matter....so long term I hope you're right.....but things are going to get worse rather than better and not many people seem to realise that at the moment.

Just what 'long term' actually equates to though is hard to say.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2022 7.54pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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W12 06 Jul 22 4.27pm
Good twitter thread on this: [Tweet Link] The chaos you are seeing globally is not by accident. This thread should be the longest on this forum by now. This is real and it's happening and if you don't start paying attention your children could have a very tough future.
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W12 06 Jul 22 4.27pm

Good twitter thread on this:

[Tweet Link]

The chaos you are seeing globally is not by accident.

This thread should be the longest on this forum by now.

This is real and it's happening and if you don't start paying attention your children could have a very tough future.

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Grumbles 06 Jul 22 6.34pm
Originally posted by W12 This thread should be the longest on this forum by now. . I blame the lizard people milking enzymes from babies or whatever you Qanon people now believe in. For the UK the great reset was decades ago.
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Grumbles 06 Jul 22 6.34pm

Originally posted by W12

This thread should be the longest on this forum by now.

I blame the lizard people milking enzymes from babies or whatever you Qanon people now believe in. For the UK the great reset was decades ago.

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W12 14 Jul 22 6.18pm
Italian government collapses, Dutch people in open revolt along with huge protests in Germany, Poland and elsewhere. Little of this covered by the media. It’s almost like conspiracy theory’s were not theories after all. But “muh lizards and flat earth”.
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W12 14 Jul 22 6.18pm

Italian government collapses, Dutch people in open revolt along with huge protests in Germany, Poland and elsewhere. Little of this covered by the media. It’s almost like conspiracy theory’s were not theories after all.

But “muh lizards and flat earth”.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Jul 22 1.13pm
Originally posted by W12 Italian government collapses, Dutch people in open revolt along with huge protests in Germany, Poland and elsewhere. Little of this covered by the media. It’s almost like conspiracy theory’s were not theories after all. But “muh lizards and flat earth”. Pretty well covered. It's not news to me anyway Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 15 Jul 22 1.13pm

Originally posted by W12

But “muh lizards and flat earth”.

Pretty well covered. It's not news to me anyway

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Jul 22 1.15pm
I think we need a great reset on people like this. [Link] 'Minimum standard of life' Rare vinyl and trips to butlins are not minimum standard of life essentials. Absolute morons Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 15 Jul 22 1.15pm

I think we need a great reset on people like this.

[Link]

'Minimum standard of life'

Rare vinyl and trips to butlins are not minimum standard of life essentials. Absolute morons

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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