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Putitout Oxford 03 May 22 1.14pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 You are not allowed to deliberately shield the ball & deny an opponent an opportunity to play the ball. Before anyone shouts at me, yes, i know, players do shield the ball when going out for a goal kick, this, believe it or not, is still a foul, just no-one bothers with it anymore. Many years ago I know , but if you did not have actual control of the ball and blocked access to the ball it was a plain obstruction and illegal . The just one of many situations where the global game has turned clear rules into tools for gamesmanship.
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Putitout

Oxford 03 May 22 1.14pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

You are not allowed to deliberately shield the ball & deny an opponent an opportunity to play the ball. Before anyone shouts at me, yes, i know, players do shield the ball when going out for a goal kick, this, believe it or not, is still a foul, just no-one bothers with it anymore.

Many years ago I know , but if you did not have actual control of the ball and blocked access to the ball it was a plain obstruction and illegal .
The just one of many situations where the global game has turned clear rules into tools for gamesmanship.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 03 May 22 2.23pm
Originally posted by silvertop Rumours Arsenal offering him a new contract. We cant compete with that, even if they don't make the ECL. He has always been there and will likely want to stay. I suspect we will be used as we have been used in the past, i.e., as a device for upping his wages. Obviously I don't know what the lad is thinking, but I cant imagine he'll stay under any circumstance. He's refused to sign a contract and recently was talking about his lack of opportunities at Arsenal. He's seen a very promising career stall, where a lot of his U21 teammates have progressed with regular premiership football. He has barely played all season, and is only getting some game time now as Lacazette is recovering from COVID. Arsenal have no choice but to go out and sign a couple of strikers in the summer. all of which will be ahead of him.
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MrRobbo

Chaldon 03 May 22 2.23pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Rumours Arsenal offering him a new contract. We cant compete with that, even if they don't make the ECL. He has always been there and will likely want to stay. I suspect we will be used as we have been used in the past, i.e., as a device for upping his wages.

Obviously I don't know what the lad is thinking, but I cant imagine he'll stay under any circumstance. He's refused to sign a contract and recently was talking about his lack of opportunities at Arsenal.

He's seen a very promising career stall, where a lot of his U21 teammates have progressed with regular premiership football.

He has barely played all season, and is only getting some game time now as Lacazette is recovering from COVID.

Arsenal have no choice but to go out and sign a couple of strikers in the summer. all of which will be ahead of him.

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CrazyBadger Ware 03 May 22 2.25pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 You are not allowed to deliberately shield the ball & deny an opponent an opportunity to play the ball. Before anyone shouts at me, yes, i know, players do shield the ball when going out for a goal kick, this, believe it or not, is still a foul, just no-one bothers with it anymore. First time I've seen That enforced. Normally, defenders go down and jump on the ball, picking it up and presuming they've been Fouled. Doesn't explain why it went The other way later in The game either ! "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 03 May 22 2.25pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

First time I've seen That enforced. Normally, defenders go down and jump on the ball, picking it up and presuming they've been Fouled.

Doesn't explain why it went The other way later in The game either !

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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YT Oxford 03 May 22 2.45pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed. We don't need a 20 goal a season striker that is a luxury we need 2 strikers who can get into double figures and the rest of the team chipping in with goals as well. A bit fussy of you, Badger. Any style of finish would do me! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 03 May 22 2.45pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed. We don't need a 20 goal a season striker that is a luxury we need 2 strikers who can get into double figures and the rest of the team chipping in with goals as well.

A bit fussy of you, Badger. Any style of finish would do me!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 03 May 22 6.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle When I saw yesterday's line up, I was surprised but on reflection thought it clever. Southampton would have prepared their strategy, expecting Ward-Prowse to do his usual job of niggling Wilf. Him being benched through them into a muddle, and they didn't know what to expect, so went into their shell. A rested Wilf, with a point to prove, then came on with Southampton on the back foot hoping to protect a lead. The rest is history. Surely you mean "threw them into....." Just saying.....lol
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The garden of England.(not really) 03 May 22 6.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When I saw yesterday's line up, I was surprised but on reflection thought it clever.

Southampton would have prepared their strategy, expecting Ward-Prowse to do his usual job of niggling Wilf. Him being benched through them into a muddle, and they didn't know what to expect, so went into their shell. A rested Wilf, with a point to prove, then came on with Southampton on the back foot hoping to protect a lead.

The rest is history.

Surely you mean "threw them into....." Just saying.....lol

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pssguy 03 May 22 7.50pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo This needing a 20 goal a season striker is such a lazy comment. It's as if they are in abundance and we could get one. We had a 20+ goal striker in 2004/5, Andrew Johnson. Still got relegated
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03 May 22 7.50pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

This needing a 20 goal a season striker is such a lazy comment. It's as if they are in abundance and we could get one.

We had a 20+ goal striker in 2004/5, Andrew Johnson. Still got relegated

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Luarddd Redhill 03 May 22 8.33pm
Originally posted by WJK1960 Also by playing Wilf up against the centre backs Ward Prowse was not in a position to do the the niggling, while Wilf's good close control made it difficult for the centre backs to get too tight. A few other points mentioned in this post : - Olise did seem very reluctant to use his right foot yesterday (was that the one that was injured ?) and it made it easier for the left back who more or less knew that he would be cutting inside. - I know Eze scored with his left, but he is very right footed and the only decent crosses in the first half from that side was when he interlinked with Schlupp who put over the cross when Gallagher headed wide. - Clyne did really well did get on the end of Ayew's slightly overhit pass and probably didnt get a chance to look up, so played over the obvious targets and Eze did very well coming in from quite a long way back. - I thought Southampton were quite poor, much worse than when they played us at Selhurst Park. With a bit more composure and a bit of luck we could have won by more. Eze is one of the most 2 footed players I have seen at palace.
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Luarddd

Redhill 03 May 22 8.33pm

Originally posted by WJK1960

Also by playing Wilf up against the centre backs Ward Prowse was not in a position to do the the niggling, while Wilf's good close control made it difficult for the centre backs to get too tight.

A few other points mentioned in this post :

- Olise did seem very reluctant to use his right foot yesterday (was that the one that was injured ?) and it made it easier for the left back who more or less knew that he would be cutting inside.
- I know Eze scored with his left, but he is very right footed and the only decent crosses in the first half from that side was when he interlinked with Schlupp who
put over the cross when Gallagher headed wide.
- Clyne did really well did get on the end of Ayew's slightly overhit pass and probably didnt get a chance to look up, so played over the obvious targets and Eze did very well coming in from quite a long way back.
- I thought Southampton were quite poor, much worse than when they played us at Selhurst Park. With a bit more composure and a bit of luck we could have won by more.

Eze is one of the most 2 footed players I have seen at palace.

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JRW2 Dulwich 04 May 22 9.30am
Originally posted by eagleman13 You are not allowed to deliberately shield the ball & deny an opponent an opportunity to play the ball. Before anyone shouts at me, yes, i know, players do shield the ball when going out for a goal kick, this, believe it or not, is still a foul, just no-one bothers with it anymore. And Ayew seems to spend most of the game shielding the ball by sticking his backside into a would-be tackler's groin - which would certainly deter me from competing for it.
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Dulwich 04 May 22 9.30am

Originally posted by eagleman13

And Ayew seems to spend most of the game shielding the ball by sticking his backside into a would-be tackler's groin - which would certainly deter me from competing for it.

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Putitout Oxford 04 May 22 9.47am
Originally posted by JRW2 And Ayew seems to spend most of the game shielding the ball by sticking his backside into a would-be tackler's groin - which would certainly deter me from competing for it. But Ayew, usually has some control on the ball by being able to put his foot on it and keep it in play. Shielding a ball out of play, for instance with little or no intention of playing the ball , and actually not controlling the ball, whilst blocking access to that ball ,is obstruction. But rarely if ever penalised.
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Putitout

Oxford 04 May 22 9.47am

Originally posted by JRW2

And Ayew seems to spend most of the game shielding the ball by sticking his backside into a would-be tackler's groin - which would certainly deter me from competing for it.

But Ayew, usually has some control on the ball by being able to put his foot on it and keep it in play. Shielding a ball out of play, for instance with little or no intention of playing the ball , and actually not controlling the ball, whilst blocking access to that ball ,is obstruction. But rarely if ever penalised.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 May 22 9.56am
Originally posted by Putitout But Ayew, usually has some control on the ball by being able to put his foot on it and keep it in play. Shielding a ball out of play, for instance with little or no intention of playing the ball , and actually not controlling the ball, whilst blocking access to that ball ,is obstruction. But rarely if ever penalised. I'd suggest that there is a very real difference between protecting the ball for your own possession of it to purely just stopping an opponent from playing it for whatever reason best suits you - that's obstruction. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 May 22 9.56am

Originally posted by Putitout

I'd suggest that there is a very real difference between protecting the ball for your own possession of it to purely just stopping an opponent from playing it for whatever reason best suits you - that's obstruction.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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the_eagle_has_landed Carshalton 04 May 22 12.00pm
Originally posted by Putitout But Ayew, usually has some control on the ball by being able to put his foot on it and keep it in play. Shielding a ball out of play, for instance with little or no intention of playing the ball , and actually not controlling the ball, whilst blocking access to that ball ,is obstruction. But rarely if ever penalised. Shielding the ball is permissible, no matter where on the field this occurs. Shielding is defined as a player placing himself between an opponent and the ball as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. So a player can shield the ball as a tactic to prevent an opponent from getting to the ball, as long as it does not involve holding. If the player cannot legally play the ball or its not withing playing distance this becomes an impeding offence which should be penalised. A common tactic drilled into players from a young age is on receiving a pass, if your back is to the opposition goal, make sure you are positioned between the ball and the oncoming opponent who will most likely commit a foul if they try to tackle.
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the_eagle_has_landed

Carshalton 04 May 22 12.00pm

Originally posted by Putitout

Shielding the ball is permissible, no matter where on the field this occurs. Shielding is defined as a player placing himself between an opponent and the ball as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body.
So a player can shield the ball as a tactic to prevent an opponent from getting to the ball, as long as it does not involve holding. If the player cannot legally play the ball or its not withing playing distance this becomes an impeding offence which should be penalised.
A common tactic drilled into players from a young age is on receiving a pass, if your back is to the opposition goal, make sure you are positioned between the ball and the oncoming opponent who will most likely commit a foul if they try to tackle.

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