1. They are still making them Netherlands and Poland and Hungary are getting increasingly annoyed at the EU. I am not saying that they will leave however this is how it started with the UK. The EU was deaf to the anti EU sentiment rather than trying to nip it in the bud.

2. Yeah those racist states like Iceland, Switzerland and Norway what a bunch of bigots glad they never joined.

One more point

We won't, I am quite sure, ever become part of a federal EU. Whether some EU states merge is up to them, but the clear direction is towards a multi faceted model. A 2, or even 3, speed Europe. Which is why I am describing a form of association. It's what we wanted, what in truth we always had to a lesser degree and what the EU will likely now accept.

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Of course, I remember it. I voted in it.

That doesn't mean it was the right way to do things. It was a cop out then, as was 2016. Hopefully Parliament has now learned its lesson. Seeking the direct endorsement of the people for a decision you have taken is fine when they do what you expect, but a disaster when they don't.

Throwing the future of the country to the winds of chance inherent in a referendum, which is decided not on facts but on emotions stirred up by marketing slogans, is irresponsible.

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I was only 15 in 75 & have no real knowledge of any referendum at that time - I am no expert but my beef with the European union was that when we joined there were 12 / 13 member states that could all afford to be part of the union (more or less) any ref in 1975 would have been to leave that more or less reasonably funded club -
What caused me to loose faith in the EU was that as the years passed more & more minority nations were granted access to the EU, eventually to 25 members ? the financial status of those nations was largely unimpressive & it became the duty of the wealthier nations to prop up these less wealthy ones - so to me leaving was the right thing to do - personally I have no problem with the UK sending funds to countries that need it but I would be happier if it was our own decision as to who to send money to & how much & when rather than the EU making that decision for us.

The reason the EU exists is a great deal more complicated and important than who decides on where our overseas aid goes. Which is why the decision over membership needs to be taken by those we elect to study the issues, who have access to impartial experts and the time to consider and debate them. Not by us basing our decision on emotion, personal obsessions or the effect of marketing campaigns. We need to trust our politicians and to do that we need to elect better politicians.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jan 2022 1.35pm)

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So did I. and I corrected my decision last time. You got the result you wanted the first time possible and do not like the new vote. As say you are selective in your writing.