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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 18 Oct 21 12.28pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

It would seem/appear that the murder Islamic terrorism by someone radicalised in UK who slipped through the net as a threat and simply wanted to like someone who represented the Brisitsh government.

Northing to do with domestic political name calling.

Problem is there are very possibly many more of the sane type.

One is terrible, remember London Bridge. What if there are another 20, or 50 or 100

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Oct 21 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It is NOT a fact that we have Islamic terrorism in this country because we have a "significant number" of Muslims. That is far too simplistic an assertion.

The Jews weren't causing problems, but still got scapegoated. Muslims aren't causing problems now. Radical elements, committing criminal acts are.

You don't want to persecute ALL Muslims, when your whole approach does just that. I want to draw a distinct, heavy demarcation line between the law-abiding and the radical criminals. Treating them any other way delivers the precise opposite of what is needed. To close our doors to refugees from countries you fear may deliver us terrorists would create more problems than it solves. We would break international agreements. Condemn the innocent to lives of misery, and worse. Build pockets of unhappy, resentful people and send them into the waiting arms of the radicals. Yours is a "Trump wall" solution, and not one that can work. There are no easy answers. It needs patience, time and determination.

This has nothing to do with Brexit, which I haven't mentioned, so why do you? Nor am I defending Islam! I have no time for ANY religion, and even less for those radicalised by one. I judge on behaviour alone, and not by what anyone believes.

You say the Islamic faith has no place in our country AND that Muslims should not be hated. What better example is there of hatred than telling a person that their faith isn't welcome here?
Fundamentalism is indeed the problem, but you seem incapable of separating it and want all Muslims to be tried in the court of public opinion. In so doing, you are only adding to the problems.

I don't want to see any killings by anyone, for any reason, including religious or political. Protecting our society is the task of the police and security forces, who do an outstanding job, but sometimes fail. Supporting them and, very importantly, making sure all our communities do so and are not made to feel unwelcome outcasts, is the best way forward. One you seem hell-bent on opposing.

Aside from the fact your post looks like an 8 year old's homework, it is just packed full of denial and waffle.

We have Islamist nutters here because we have imported people from Islamic countries where Western resentment exists.

You would think that the Irish/Scottish experience would have been a clue as to what not to do, but all the time you have idiots in charge, you will get bad decisions followed by excuses and denial.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 21 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

do the men in those countries call Western men a 'bunch of cucks' ?


in Eastern Europe its all about Fertility & family values.

In the West, its all about money, open-borders & tolerant Political Correctness, LGBTq , pro choice, multiculti .

The Catholic Sir David Amess would never have got murdered in Budapest or Krakow. AND he would have liked the prevailing ideology.

RiP

Whatever their view of western men it didn't seem to stop them seeking employment here did it, because our wages and conditions were better, nor going back when we left the EU.

The ideology that you seem to favour creates as many, or more, problems than it solves. Having lived in a predominantly Catholic country, where over population and lack of employment results in abject poverty and an early death for many, this is not a scenario I want for us.

Once again, be careful what you wish for!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 21 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Aside from the fact your post looks like an 8 year old's homework, it is just packed full of denial and waffle.

We have Islamist nutters here because we have imported people from Islamic countries where Western resentment exists.

You would think that the Irish/Scottish experience would have been a clue as to what not to do, but all the time you have idiots in charge, you will get bad decisions followed by excuses and denial.

I posted like that precisely because YOUR post is so "full of denial and waffle" that it was necessary to demarcate the response so that it could be better understood.

We haven't "imported people" from anywhere! That kind of description of immigration is ridiculous. We have, mostly, responded to humanitarian needs, alongside seeking to deal with skill shortages.

Do you want to send all the Scots and Irish "back home" now?

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 18 Oct 21 1.22pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you want to send all the Scots and Irish "back home" now?

we were here first.

Lefty RTE has portrayed the irish of 30,000 years ago as something similar to Somalians. And seems to have used actors who were either Nigerian or Somalian.

nice to see the license fee given to lefty radicals, isnt it ?

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Oct 2021 1.24pm)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 21 2.12pm


"Last night former friends of Ali, a British national of Somali heritage who grew up in a three-bed 1980s terrace house in Croydon with his mother, two sisters and brother, claimed he was radicalised after watching youtube videos of convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary. Speaking to The Sun, they claimed the videos turned Ali from a 'popular pupil into an extremist'.

Separately, it emerged yesterday that the 25-year-old had been referred to Prevent, the Government's counter-terrorism programme, several years ago - but that his behaviour was not considered to be extreme enough to alert MI5. Referrals to Prevent are not necessarily passed on to MI5. "


How extreme is extreme enough? Our security services are given a tremendously difficult job. They and we need to do our bit on all fronts, and in all communities, at this time to keep people tethered to understood norms.

Where freedom of speech is abused as a breadcrumb trail to extremism as with Choudary, the content should not be hosted by supposedly reputable mainstream platforms like Youtube (or anyone). Choundary, famous for praising those responsible for the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks is rightfully viewed as a danger and clearly his teachings still bleed through to misery and extreme acts today, as we see with the murder of David Amess. Let us not drop the ball with the likes of banned National Action (who repeated praised the murder of Joe Cox and violent attacks on police) and their barely disguised stepping stones and satellites either. There are not preferable kinds of radicalisation. Be careful what you click on.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 18 Oct 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Ali, a British national of Somali heritage who grew up in a three-bed 1980s terrace house in Croydon with his mother, two sisters and brother

what proportion of our Stabbers & shooters are from a broken home ? growing up without a dad in the house ?

80% of the stabbers ? or more ?

anyway, i thought they said the dad was a government type ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Oct 2021 2.28pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 21 2.31pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

what proportion of our Stabbers & shooters are from a broken home ? growing up without a dad in the house ?

80% of the stabbers ? or more ?

Good question. It would certainly seem to be a rational thought to suggest that most people who grow up to commit acts of terrorism either did not come from a stable family background, or had multiple influences around them that detached them from balanced thought. Sometimes that could be family, other times an ill advised mentor, or preacher or of course the Internet.

In communities that are suspicious of police getting information before something goes off the rails can be difficult (so infiltration is also important), and unfortunately in some isolated cases the leap from concerning mindset (even where picked up on) to acting on it is such that it's going to be difficult to stop an act that takes seconds to commit.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 18 Oct 21 2.51pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Good question. It would certainly seem to be a rational thought to suggest that most people who grow up to commit acts of terrorism either did not come from a stable family background, or had multiple influences around them that detached them from balanced thought. Sometimes that could be family, other times an ill advised mentor, or preacher or of course the Internet.

In communities that are suspicious of police getting information before something goes off the rails can be difficult (so infiltration is also important), and unfortunately in some isolated cases the leap from concerning mindset (even where picked up on) to acting on it is such that it's going to be difficult to stop an act that takes seconds to commit.

What about people taking repsonsibilty for their own actions and beliefs instead of endless 'it is the fault of ... '

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Oct 21 3.02pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


"Last night former friends of Ali, a British national of Somali heritage who grew up in a three-bed 1980s terrace house in Croydon with his mother, two sisters and brother, claimed he was radicalised after watching youtube videos of convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary. Speaking to The Sun, they claimed the videos turned Ali from a 'popular pupil into an extremist'.

Separately, it emerged yesterday that the 25-year-old had been referred to Prevent, the Government's counter-terrorism programme, several years ago - but that his behaviour was not considered to be extreme enough to alert MI5. Referrals to Prevent are not necessarily passed on to MI5. "


How extreme is extreme enough? Our security services are given a tremendously difficult job. They and we need to do our bit on all fronts, and in all communities, at this time to keep people tethered to understood norms.

Where freedom of speech is abused as a breadcrumb trail to extremism as with Choudary, the content should not be hosted by supposedly reputable mainstream platforms like Youtube (or anyone). Choundary, famous for praising those responsible for the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks is rightfully viewed as a danger and clearly his teachings still bleed through to misery and extreme acts today, as we see with the murder of David Amess. Let us not drop the ball with the likes of banned National Action (who repeated praised the murder of Joe Cox and violent attacks on police) and their barely disguised stepping stones and satellites either. There are not preferable kinds of radicalisation. Be careful what you click on.

The obvious solution is Squid Game. Just on a larger scale.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Oct 21 3.07pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

What about people taking repsonsibilty for their own actions and beliefs instead of endless 'it is the fault of ... '

Well yes of course that's the ideal, but as we have seen we cannot always rely on people to scrutinise and manage their own behaviour. Nobody becoming radicalised realises that is happening to them. I think deep down, as we're sensible individuals, we believe that on some level they must realise what has happened to their thinking.

The disturbing reality is that they don't.

Nevermind that the average Choudary supporter or National Action adherent justifies murder of politicians (which is disturbing enough) we also have to consider that at the very end point, a person like this is throwing away his entire life even if he doesn't care about the life he's taking. He is literally adamant that he's in the right and that his act of inhumanity is somehow justified.

As I said before, the Internet has a lot to answer for in this regard. It's crack for the emotionally damaged and those who are easily led by people they are essentially being manipulated by.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Oct 21 3.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

What people should most be careful of are liars and fear mongers.

When it comes to deciding what is true, you can listen to claims but before accepting one side you should investigate both before deciding what is reasonable.

That can be done here.

 


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