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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Aug 21 9.16am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Donhammed Trumpistan', I love it.

And over to the the White House for the Taliban News read by Mohammed Biden.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Aug 21 9.51am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

This may have gone a slightly different way if trump was still in charge. The taliban were afraid of him but it doesn't detract from the collapse of the afgan army

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 18 Aug 21 10.29am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

The benefits of being skint
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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 21 10.55am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

can anyone in power be trusted in a crisis ?

Making promises/pledges/commitments that we are incapable of keeping to any meaningful degree.

We can't even keep our ex-service personnel off the streets.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2021 10.56am)

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Aug 21 12.27pm

Originally posted by cryrst

This may have gone a slightly different way if trump was still in charge. The taliban were afraid of him but it doesn't detract from the collapse of the afgan army

I agree, ultimately I think it would've gone the same way. They folded like a cheap deckchair, and we can only assume that it's because our plans for them were so at odds with their culture to begin with. A huge waste of time and billions of dollars worth of US military equipment now in Taliban hands.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Aug 21 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Just for the Craic like, I'd love to see Afghanistan under Taliban rule apply to join the EU.

 


Pro USA & Israel

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Orange1290 Flag 18 Aug 21 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Mr Sinologist speaks

Common knowledge if you are even remotely up to speed with what's really going on in the region. Here's a little primary school education for you, enjoy:

"Only hours after the Taliban overran Afghanistan, a foreign ministry spokeswoman said Beijing was ready for “friendly cooperation with Afghanistan. Rare earth metals in Afghanistan were estimated to be worth anywhere between $1 trillion and $3 trillion in 2020"

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"As the United States departs Afghanistan and Kabul falls, China is not showing up with an army. It is showing up bearing gifts to all parties, not least the ascendant Taliban. Beijing’s prospects, therefore, are already looking much better—and cheaper—than the U.S. state- and military-building project."

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China making the US & UK look like Beavis & Butt-Head, great at laughing at lol.


Edited by Orange1290 (18 Aug 2021 1.48pm)

 


Pro China, EU & Palestine

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Matov Flag 18 Aug 21 1.25pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I agree, ultimately I think it would've gone the same way. They folded like a cheap deckchair, and we can only assume that it's because our plans for them were so at odds with their culture to begin with. A huge waste of time and billions of dollars worth of US military equipment now in Taliban hands.

Beginning to smell a rat with this narrative. Far too easy a scapegoat for this entire debacle.

Where is the video footage of the battles? Where are the journalists embedded in with the army units? If the Afghan army just folded up, then we would be swamped with videos of Taliban triumphs, especially in this age of phone footage.

I might be completely wrong on this but from I can make out, the Afghan Army were not even deployed on the ground.

More than willing to be corrected and schooled on this supposed complete and utter implosion of the Afghan Army but so far, almost zero evidence of it.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 18 Aug 21 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

I think it is a little unfair to blame the Afghan Military as a whole.

Disclaimer: there were clearly huge problems with discipline within the ranks of the ANA.
'Boy Play'
Constantly stoned as f***
Inshallah - They'd rarely take cover because God had already decided if they will die or not.
Selling off of equipment they were issued.
Theres loads more but you get the gist.

However in their defence
The ANA were only getting paid when the Afghan government felt like it & the unbelievable amount of corruption that was going on from the top down.
Many Afghan soldiers (who hadnt sold their equipment) going into battle poorly equipped and sometimes without ammunition.
Foreign parties teaching progressive woke politics in schools like some kind of mad Christian missionaries was clearly pissing off a lot of Afghans who saw this as an attack on their culture.

80,000 Afghan soldiers died fighting the Taliban over the last 20 years.
f*** knows how many have been wounded.

Trump had reduced the numbers of US military down to something like 2500 troops who were acting in a Support role, the ANA was quite happily holding its own.

So I would say the ANA clearly did have the stomach for a fight, Biden's catastrophic cut & run was the catalyst for the collapse, couple that with the lack of US air support calling in Air strikes on Taliban targets, the Afghan government being weak as f***, and ANA commanders cutting deals with the Taliban and disappearing caused the whole thing to collapse there simply was no chain of command, once there is no plan things quickly deteriorate into chaos.

What we now know is, there are at least 10,000 US personnel dotted all across Afghanistan completely cut off with no way to get to Kabul, Biden's Military advisors told him not to do what he did but he ignored them and pushed ahead with his plan anyway.
Biden is now relying on the Taliban (who were shouting death to America in the streets of Kabul yesterday) to escort said 10,000 US personnel to Kabul and allow them to board a plane & leave.

And this mad c*** is still President.


 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 21 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Common knowledge if you are even remotely up to speed with what's really going on in the region. Here's a little primary school education for you, enjoy:

"Only hours after the Taliban overran Afghanistan, a foreign ministry spokeswoman said Beijing was ready for “friendly cooperation with Afghanistan. Rare earth metals in Afghanistan were estimated to be worth anywhere between trillion and trillion in 2020"

[Link]

"As the United States departs Afghanistan and Kabul falls, China is not showing up with an army. It is showing up bearing gifts to all parties, not least the ascendant Taliban. Beijing’s prospects, therefore, are already looking much better—and cheaper—than the U.S. state- and military-building project."

[Link]


China making the US & UK look like Beavis & Butt-Head, great at laughing at lol.

Edited by Orange1290 (18 Aug 2021 1.20pm)

Yeah, while they harvest the organs of Muslims in China and feck the Islam out of their women.

Yeah, you think the Taliban are stupid. They will play them right back when it suits.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 1.49pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 18 Aug 21 1.49pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Also expect the democrats to start calling the last 20 years in Afghanistan a civil war

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 21 1.54pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Johnson came to power talking of of a 'points based immigration system' and now he's taking 20,000 Afghans into Britain.....vote blue, get some greenish version of Labour.

They won't be living in Essex or Cornwall I know that.

Even Farage 'there's 600 crossing the channel' has turned into Farage 'we must take them in'.

Who is asking the population and who is accepting this nightmare into their area?

This country is done.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 1.57pm)

 


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