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 orpingtoneagle  Orpington 29 Jun 20 10.02am |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
The civil service is just a job for the boys, totally corrupt, very few of them would get jobs in the real world, dont like cummings, but we need guys like him, more than he needs us, same as the house of Lords, jobs for the same bunch of cronies What a load of b######s at a senior level most civil servants these days move between public and private sectors or have secondments to big business. I am a civil servant and have worked in industry and both a big accountancy practice and top legal firm in my career. Aa for accountability, far more public scrutiny than any MP or government adviser. Not sure about jobs for the boys either as I was born and bred in the tougher end of Croydon and have worked bloody hard to get where I am.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 29 Jun 20 10.21am |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
The civil service is just a job for the boys, totally corrupt, very few of them would get jobs in the real world, dont like cummings, but we need guys like him, more than he needs us, same as the house of Lords, jobs for the same bunch of cronies Sorry but that sweeping statement simply does not pass muster.When you hear that Cummings had granted the track and trace app to a mate of his worth millions of pounds and then it has to be scrapped because it was next to useless, that is being totally corrupt. The Civil Service is full of hard working, very averagely paid (although this has improved in recent years) staff who provide stability and order to the various government departments. You don't need mavericks in the Civil Service, you need safe pairs of hands who will move with the times, but only when it makes sense to do so. Basic GCSEs will get you into the Service if you are willing to start at the bottom and work up, so it is hardly jobs for the boys. It is also possible to go from the bottom to the very top if you are tenacious and talented enough.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jun 20 10.37am |
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I am hardly a fan of the establishment, but the attempt here to blame the civil service for the governments failings is nauseous. The idea that thousands of excess deaths have been caused by less than rapid civil servants does not stand up neither have I seen it made anywhere but here. The PM got his lock-up when he wanted it. He was obsessed with the economy and brexit, in fact the cabinet dropped key pandemic planning teams altogether. The NHS 'world-beaters' viral research units were disbanded as they did not make any money. Johnson delayed and delayed hoping it just wasn't true and everything would just blow over. Even he had to face reality when the French president told him bluntly he would shut the borders with the UK if he did not get a grip.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jun 20 11.31am |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
What a load of b######s at a senior level most civil servants these days move between public and private sectors or have secondments to big business. I am a civil servant and have worked in industry and both a big accountancy practice and top legal firm in my career. Aa for accountability, far more public scrutiny than any MP or government adviser. Not sure about jobs for the boys either as I was born and bred in the tougher end of Croydon and have worked bloody hard to get where I am. Is correct. The Civil Service often succeed in spite of the circumstances they are placed under but no commentary ever covers this. Ignorance around the CS, it's personnel and workings are generally quite shocking. I include myself in that statement before my dealings with the Public Sector over the last x amount of years.
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| m/k mick milton keynes 29 Jun 20 2.08pm |
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Funny how those that disagree live in the South East, the civil service is a law unto itself, those that work in it have a reason to defend it, wait till the government start moving departments out of the South East, the whinging will really start, because very few will find work in the private sector
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jun 20 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Funny how those that disagree live in the South East, the civil service is a law unto itself, those that work in it have a reason to defend it, wait till the government start moving departments out of the South East, the whinging will really start, because very few will find work in the private sector You obviously have no clue. I feel like you may have lost your job at the DWP or something at some point in time and decided it was because everybody else was stupid. Not saying that's the case of course, just how your comments come across.
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| m/k mick milton keynes 29 Jun 20 2.29pm |
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Nicholas, strange how you try to belittle someone, just because they have a different point of view, the answer is no, the DWP have never upset me, i have just always hated privilege, and the civil service and the Lords epitomises privilege
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| silvertop Portishead 29 Jun 20 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
What a load of b######s at a senior level most civil servants these days move between public and private sectors or have secondments to big business. I am a civil servant and have worked in industry and both a big accountancy practice and top legal firm in my career. Aa for accountability, far more public scrutiny than any MP or government adviser. Not sure about jobs for the boys either as I was born and bred in the tougher end of Croydon and have worked bloody hard to get where I am. I know, what an absolute load of tosh. He is talking about another world a whole generation ago or more.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 29 Jun 20 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I know, what an absolute load of tosh. He is talking about another world a whole generation ago or more. Yes, more like 2 generations ago. That’s when going into the civil service was dependent on which school you went to. I could think of a lot worse things to complain about. His argument should have begun and rested at the House of Lords, as I don’t think there would be many arguing that point.
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Jun 20 5.42pm |
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There are around 430,000 people employed in the civil service. Of these, 83,500 are based in London Rupert McNeil is a very clever chap and is making a difference. He comes bang out of the private sector.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jun 20 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
There are around 430,000 people employed in the civil service. Of these, 83,500 are based in London Rupert McNeil is a very clever chap and is making a difference. He comes bang out of the private sector. You'd be surprised, but he has done a reasonable job.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jun 20 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Nicholas, strange how you try to belittle someone, just because they have a different point of view, the answer is no, the DWP have never upset me, i have just always hated privilege, and the civil service and the Lords epitomises privilege The Civil Service is one of the most diverse employers in the UK. I am not trying to belittle you which is an ironic statement given there may be Civil Servants reading your posts where you claim they are unemployable outside of the Public Sector. Your posts are completely ignorant, laughably so, and I can claim that to be factual not just an opinion and quite frankly insulting to somebody like me who has family members, friends and colleagues who work within the Civil Service. I myself have worked with Civil Servants on numerous occasions so am speaking from experience. CPFC may be the only thing we share in common.
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