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cryrst The garden of England 10 Apr 20 7.14pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
that's 'adhesion' - some furious googling going on, some jokers on the labour front bench? Nobody as serious as Priti Patel or Jacob Rees Mogg? Starmer is Blair mark 2 and will eventually disappoint the lefties, they're all tories really you see, but he'll make Labour electable and quicker than some of you would like to believe, he's no mug and is the first decent leader Labour have had since Brown - that's the danger of party democracy it ignores the fact that a substantial proportion of any political party membership is made up of nutters - hence Ian Duncan Smith and Milliband/Corbyn - Starmer's strategy will be spot on and his appointments will favour talent and send out the message he thinks needs sending. So beware Tory boys, underestimate Starmer at your peril, he's a serious operator for serious times and the voters will respect him. I want to hear Labour on reintroducing a mixed economy where private companies acting as monopolies DO NOT make our infrastructure expensive and inefficient, a situation borne of Thatcherism carried out by BOTH parties. Privatisation then.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Apr 20 7.20pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
that's 'adhesion' - some furious googling going on, some jokers on the labour front bench? Nobody as serious as Priti Patel or Jacob Rees Mogg? Starmer is Blair mark 2 and will eventually disappoint the lefties, they're all tories really you see, but he'll make Labour electable and quicker than some of you would like to believe, he's no mug and is the first decent leader Labour have had since Brown - that's the danger of party democracy it ignores the fact that a substantial proportion of any political party membership is made up of nutters - hence Ian Duncan Smith and Milliband/Corbyn - Starmer's strategy will be spot on and his appointments will favour talent and send out the message he thinks needs sending. So beware Tory boys, underestimate Starmer at your peril, he's a serious operator for serious times and the voters will respect him. I want to hear Labour on reintroducing a mixed economy where private companies acting as monopolies DO NOT make our infrastructure expensive and inefficient, a situation borne of Thatcherism carried out by BOTH parties.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 10 Apr 20 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Privatisation then. noooo that's a market economy if I remember from my Economics O Level, then there's a planned economy (communism or fascism (corporatism)), then there's a mixed economy which is what intelligent countries have, and then there's this hybrid private-public mess where natural monopolies are private (a disaster) instead of state-owned so you get a gravy train for unaccountable leaders to over-pay themselves and under-invest in whatever national asset they're in charge of which is what besets us atm - Carillion are the prime example - it's bankruptcy meant hospitals and schools didn't get built while the board paid itself millions in bonuses and faced no penalty for bleeding the funds to the point where the company collapsed - Starmer's thoughts on bank reform will be of interest too.
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Stirlingsays 10 Apr 20 8.09pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
noooo that's a market economy if I remember from my Economics O Level, then there's a planned economy (communism or fascism (corporatism)), then there's a mixed economy which is what intelligent countries have, and then there's this hybrid private-public mess where natural monopolies are private (a disaster) instead of state-owned so you get a gravy train for unaccountable leaders to over-pay themselves and under-invest in whatever national asset they're in charge of which is what besets us atm - Carillion are the prime example - it's bankruptcy meant hospitals and schools didn't get built while the board paid itself millions in bonuses and faced no penalty for bleeding the funds to the point where the company collapsed - Starmer's thoughts on bank reform will be of interest too. I know I'm being pedantic but I suspect for your O level you wrote using capitals and subject related paragraphs. That said, some of the content is interesting.
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Matov 10 Apr 20 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
Make Labour electable or actually win a majority in Parliament in 2024?
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cryrst The garden of England 10 Apr 20 10.25pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
noooo that's a market economy if I remember from my Economics O Level, then there's a planned economy (communism or fascism (corporatism)), then there's a mixed economy which is what intelligent countries have, and then there's this hybrid private-public mess where natural monopolies are private (a disaster) instead of state-owned so you get a gravy train for unaccountable leaders to over-pay themselves and under-invest in whatever national asset they're in charge of which is what besets us atm - Carillion are the prime example - it's bankruptcy meant hospitals and schools didn't get built while the board paid itself millions in bonuses and faced no penalty for bleeding the funds to the point where the company collapsed - Starmer's thoughts on bank reform will be of interest too. So the great PFI plan from labour which still burdens schools and hospitals I beleive. And will do for 20 more years, is that helping to stop what your explaining should happen. Or have PFIs been cancelled.
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Mapletree Croydon 10 Apr 20 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So the great PFI plan from labour which still burdens schools and hospitals I beleive. And will do for 20 more years, is that helping to stop what your explaining should happen. Or have PFIs been cancelled. PFI was originally a Conservative policy and has been used by both parties extensively.
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Stirlingsays 10 Apr 20 11.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Make Labour electable or actually win a majority in Parliament in 2024? They would definitely need to win back Scotland from the SNP. Doesn't look that likely at the moment.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Apr 20 8.00am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
PFI was originally a Conservative policy and has been used by both parties extensively. Correct in 1992 but little used by the tories.
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 20 9.36am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Correct in 1992 but little used by the tories. Actually not true. The early Labour PFI contracts signed by Labour were initiated by the Conservatives. I note the misinformation issued by CCHT. It uses volume not value to make its political point. Both parties used it. Originally the advice was it was good value for money. Then the advice changed The big issue is the protection given to the investors, far beyond protection for all other stakeholders. Read the FT from 17 September 2017 Edited by Mapletree (11 Apr 2020 9.39am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Apr 20 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Actually not true. The early Labour PFI contracts signed by Labour were initiated by the Conservatives. I note the misinformation issued by CCHT. It uses volume not value to make its political point. Both parties used it. Originally the advice was it was good value for money. Then the advice changed The big issue is the protection given to the investors, far beyond protection for all other stakeholders. Read the FT from 17 September 2017 Edited by Mapletree (11 Apr 2020 9.39am) So Labour went ahead with PFI and expanded the process but that is OK because the Tories came up with the idea? Classic Lefty hypocrisy.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 11 Apr 20 10.36am | |
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the point is that BOTH parties were to blame for PFI which is good value only in the short term and very bad value in the long term, and all the little people (stakeholders) take the risk and the big people (investors) get the reward - and this is what has to stop, risk and reward have to be put in the right places. Take hospitals, not enough salary, contract rights nor appreciation go to magnificent staff and too much money and job security goes to managers, HR and suited sharks be they recruitment agencies or over-charging providers.
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