Some of those with much needed skills have already packed their bags. My dental practice was 100% staffed by 6 Eastern Europeans dentists at the beginning of 2019. 3 have left and gone elsewhere in Europe. No replacements have been found. Check ups are now every 2 years, with only emergences in between. I have no hard evidence on whether this is a trend found elsewhere,, and in other sectors but empirical information seems to suggest it might be.

Maybe the replacements could be the kids discussed in the OP ? Based locally , fluent English ?

There is no policy which could, or should, stop immigration. You can only manage it to the best of your ability but those determined to enter will find a way and unless our economy contracts, or our own birth rate increases, we will need more people anyway. I realise that technology will play a big future role but some jobs will be almost impossible to be done by robots.

Unless we help those economies, from which people want to migrate to us, to grow and prosper themselves there are always going to be those who try to come.

I see that Japan has once again been cited as an example of how things can be different, despite those claims being debunked before. The situations in the UK and Japan are not directly comparable. Japan does not have the same legacy of Empire that we do. They don't speak English. Japan is isolated, whilst we are close to the rest of Europe. Japan has a traditional cultural resistance to immigration. We have always welcomed immigrants.

Nevertheless, Japan faces many of the same problems of an aging population that we do and, as a consequence, are now actively, if very quietly, seeking to increase immigration. Read this:-

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It seems as though the tide has turned in Japan, albeit slowly and out of sight so as not to upset the deep seated hostility of the people. Rather than us imitating them I suspect they will soon be going some way towards imitating us!

Japan debunked? That's the usual nonsense that eminates from this particular direction.

We will take what this activist for internationalism said and address it to display where the real truth stands. I'll tackle Japan later on or tomorrow.

But before we do that he made several short sighted and frankly illogical points on general immigration. Let's refresh our memory, he wrote:

'There is no policy which could, or should, stop immigration.'

This is an outright falsehood. Many countries have blocks on immigration into their countries and take seriously the task of deportation.

We have several Asian countries that do this right now, Japan being the most notable...with only 1 percent of its population being non Japanese. This isn't maintained without strict adherence to its migration rules.

Secondly the US up till 1965 successfully maintained a European only migration policy which enabled a 90+ European heritage population within the USA.

So his contention that there is 'no policy which could' stop immigration isn't only false it's misleading both contemporary and historically.

It is entirely due to policy and the will to carry out those policies.

Second point:

'You can only manage it to the best of your ability but those determined to enter will find a way and unless our economy contracts, or our own birth rate increases, we will need more people anyway. I realise that technology will play a big future role but some jobs will be almost impossible to be done by robots.'

Here the writer even recognises one of the flaws within his own reasoning. Not only does he realise that automation will require less jobs and hence less people but then he illogically makes a point stating that because this can't be done with all jobs....that this somehow justifies more people????

Well the obvious response to that is not only will automation advance as time moves forward taking on more and more jobs but immigrants will also grow older as well.....Using his logic we are exposed to a population ponzi scheme of never ending population density of surplus people.

Irrational.

Finally:

'Unless we help those economies, from which people want to migrate to us, to grow and prosper themselves there are always going to be those who try to come'.

This point makes even less sense than the previous ones. It's seemingly completely devoid of any connection to the reality of what actually happens.

Ok, here's logic 101 for this guy who apparently achieved much.

If you give poor people in a poor country enough money and skills to move out of that poor country.....Guess what? Lets think really hard....what are they going to do.

No1: Are they going to stay in that poor country and help it advance?

No2: Are they going to move to a richer country which allows them to move?

Hello? McFly? Are you in there?

While a percentage will stay for various reasons, anyone with any common sense knows that the second option will be taken up by a larger percentage. Because they are improving their lives far faster than by choosing the first option....The young will go first, sending money back and if they can establish a foothold they will bring over families.

Not only is this logical it's been the practical outcome over decades.

The first world certainly should help the third world and poorer countries.....but not by mass immigration. Otherwise Europe will eventually no longer be Europe.

Seriously.....the falsehoods and half truths put out there are enough to make you weep for truth and rationality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2020 11.22am)

Some of those with much needed skills have already packed their bags. My dental practice was 100% staffed by 6 Eastern Europeans dentists at the beginning of 2019. 3 have left and gone elsewhere in Europe. No replacements have been found. Check ups are now every 2 years, with only emergences in between. I have no hard evidence on whether this is a trend found elsewhere,, and in other sectors but empirical information seems to suggest it might be.

Maybe the replacements could be the kids discussed in the OP ? Based locally , fluent English ?