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Stirlingsays 13 Feb 20 10.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Who thinks that 'trans rights, are human rights'.....whatever that means?....aren't human rights just human rights and decided by humans? An utterly meaningless trite platitude.
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Matov 14 Feb 20 2.12am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Who thinks that 'trans rights, are human rights'.....whatever that means?....aren't human rights just human rights and decided by humans? An utterly meaningless trite platitude. It might be trite but it is having an incredible impact on UK public life. And this notion of 'self-identification' seems to be almost fantastical. From what I can make out, and I am desperate for somebody to clarify the position for me and if neccessary put me right, if I wake up tomorrow and decide that I am a woman then under these criteria I can fully expect to be treated accordingly. No ifs, no buts, nobody able to question and enjoying the full protection of the law accordingly. I guess I could insist on seeing a Gynecologist, expect full access to all female-only spaces and generally spend hours faffing about in shoe shops before leaving with nothing to show for it and nobody would dare to perhaps suggest I was taking the piss? Now I accept that the last part of that is a tad flippant but is it any less valid than this almost Emperors New Clothes acceptance that these people wish to make law? Because if my definition of it is true then we might as well just accept that Western Civilisation is over. Because we not only through the looking glass but fully agreeing that 2+2=5.
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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 20 2.36am | |
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You just know what's coming after the trans stuff don't yea. If they succeed with the trans stuff you know it's next on the list. At least you'll be hearing 'Wanna be in my gang' on the radio again......A good record is a good record.
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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 20 2.39am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
It might be trite but it is having an incredible impact on UK public life. And this notion of 'self-identification' seems to be almost fantastical. From what I can make out, and I am desperate for somebody to clarify the position for me and if neccessary put me right, if I wake up tomorrow and decide that I am a woman then under these criteria I can fully expect to be treated accordingly. No ifs, no buts, nobody able to question and enjoying the full protection of the law accordingly. I guess I could insist on seeing a Gynecologist, expect full access to all female-only spaces and generally spend hours faffing about in shoe shops before leaving with nothing to show for it and nobody would dare to perhaps suggest I was taking the piss? Now I accept that the last part of that is a tad flippant but is it any less valid than this almost Emperors New Clothes acceptance that these people wish to make law? Because if my definition of it is true then we might as well just accept that Western Civilisation is over. Because we not only through the looking glass but fully agreeing that 2+2=5. I reckon if Keir Starmer decides to identify as a woman he'll wrap the leadership contest up tomorrow.
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cryrst The garden of England 14 Feb 20 5.47am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Funny you should say that. I made a po-faced sanctimonious comment that democracy needs an effective opposition to be healthy and a hopeless imploding labour party is no answer. However I suspect that post Brexit the ruling party's most effective opposition will be itself. All the usual fault lines barely covered by "unity" over Brexit and post landslide euphoria will be exposed and widen. In a declining economy with diminishing returns there won't he the funding to please both the new tory northern set and the traditional heartland. I think we all know which will have to give way... Wheres hadrian when you need him.
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Feb 20 8.08am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
It might be trite but it is having an incredible impact on UK public life. And this notion of 'self-identification' seems to be almost fantastical. From what I can make out, and I am desperate for somebody to clarify the position for me and if neccessary put me right, if I wake up tomorrow and decide that I am a woman then under these criteria I can fully expect to be treated accordingly. No ifs, no buts, nobody able to question and enjoying the full protection of the law accordingly. I guess I could insist on seeing a Gynecologist, expect full access to all female-only spaces and generally spend hours faffing about in shoe shops before leaving with nothing to show for it and nobody would dare to perhaps suggest I was taking the piss? Now I accept that the last part of that is a tad flippant but is it any less valid than this almost Emperors New Clothes acceptance that these people wish to make law? Because if my definition of it is true then we might as well just accept that Western Civilisation is over. Because we not only through the looking glass but fully agreeing that 2+2=5. So someone who is biologically born one sex can self identify as another and we are supposed to celebrate this. However I noticed that recently there were a couple of cases of white people who self identify as black and the same cheerleaders, well, they weren't cheering in fact they were complaining. I don't get the logic of that. If we go down the road of people being able to make up who they want to be surely that must include race as well as gender. Sigh. Edited by Badger11 (14 Feb 2020 8.09am)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Feb 20 8.27am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
So someone who is biologically born one sex can self identify as another and we are supposed to celebrate this. However I noticed that recently there were a couple of cases of white people who self identify as black and the same cheerleaders, well, they weren't cheering in fact they were complaining. I don't get the logic of that. If we go down the road of people being able to make up who they want to be surely that must include race as well as gender. Sigh. Edited by Badger11 (14 Feb 2020 8.09am) I think that is just called acting. May as well star in 'It ain't half hot mum'. I agree, however, that young people choosing to be whatever gender (and there are a gazillion stupid genders now) is just ridiculous. I'm hoping it's just a fad, like the gay TV presenter thing that left us with Julian Clarey and Graham Norton.
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Feb 20 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I think that is just called acting. May as well star in 'It ain't half hot mum'. I agree, however, that young people choosing to be whatever gender (and there are a gazillion stupid genders now) is just ridiculous. I'm hoping it's just a fad, like the gay TV presenter thing that left us with Julian Clarey and Graham Norton. I heard some "expert" say there are 7 genders? I have no idea what they are, to me there are 3 that I could recognise: Male Everything else is just a variation of those. Gender neutral is a load of rubbish.
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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 20 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I heard some "expert" say there are 7 genders? I have no idea what they are, to me there are 3 that I could recognise: Male Everything else is just a variation of those. Gender neutral is a load of rubbish. Personally I don't regard Intersex as a third sex. Nature only has a blueprint of two sexes.....I don't think we can call pretty rare variations a third sex.....they are more flukes and exist as the biological variation which is part of evolution.
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W12 14 Feb 20 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Personally I don't regard Intersex as a third sex. Nature only has a blueprint of two sexes.....I don't think we can call pretty rare variations a third sex.....they are more flukes and exist as the biological variation which is part of evolution. Yes, unfortunately you would have to consider this (intersex) a rare and varied type of mutation.
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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 20 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by W12
Yes, unfortunately you would have to consider this (intersex) a rare and varied type of mutation. Indeed, when someone is born with extra or less organs or limbs elsewhere we don't tend to think it's deliberate. We just recognise it for what it is....the variation that happens once in a while from the complex dna merging process.
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Midlands Eagle 14 Feb 20 10.14am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I noticed that recently there were a couple of cases of white people who self identify as black Ali G has a lot to answer for
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