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Crystal_Clear Belfast 06 Dec 18 1.21pm
If 80+p out of every £1 goes on wages, then start getting those on edges of squad out (especially those on high wages). Hopefully, Cardiff will eventually take Jordon Mutch (as reported) Send Ayew back to Swansea (if possible) Tell Puncheon he is not getting into the team, so he takes a loan option which he had back in August Offer Souare a free transfer Jairo Riedewald - it's clear he won't feature, hopefully he won't be our Winston Bogarde. There are 5 first team squad wages to be saved there. Would we really miss these players from the squad ? Would the up and coming youngsters do any worse ? The wages freed up could fund 1 or 2 quality players.
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Crystal_Clear

Belfast 06 Dec 18 1.21pm

If 80+p out of every £1 goes on wages, then start getting those on edges of squad out (especially those on high wages).

Hopefully, Cardiff will eventually take Jordon Mutch (as reported)
Send Ayew back to Swansea (if possible)
Tell Puncheon he is not getting into the team, so he takes a loan option which he had back in August
Offer Souare a free transfer
Jairo Riedewald - it's clear he won't feature, hopefully he won't be our Winston Bogarde.

There are 5 first team squad wages to be saved there.

Would we really miss these players from the squad ? Would the up and coming youngsters do any worse ?

The wages freed up could fund 1 or 2 quality players.

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spartakev2 Anerley 06 Dec 18 1.23pm
For me Hodgson has to take a lot if blame. He obviously fancied our chances against burnley and we went at then from the start, getting players in thd box. Sadly against Brighton he went back to his default tactics fir away games or playing anyone decent.....sit off them, keep the midfielders defensive, stay in the game and hope to nick a goal on thd break. Hos many games have we started poorly this season? I really belive if we had gone our against Brighton like we did against burnley it would havd been a different game. Imagine Roy's team talk...great gamd saturday guys, but Brighton away is a different game and I want you to defend deep....how do you think thd players would feel abut that...
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Anerley 06 Dec 18 1.23pm

For me Hodgson has to take a lot if blame. He obviously fancied our chances against burnley and we went at then from the start, getting players in thd box.
Sadly against Brighton he went back to his default tactics fir away games or playing anyone decent.....sit off them, keep the midfielders defensive, stay in the game and hope to nick a goal on thd break.
Hos many games have we started poorly this season? I really belive if we had gone our against Brighton like we did against burnley it would havd been a different game. Imagine Roy's team talk...great gamd saturday guys, but Brighton away is a different game and I want you to defend deep....how do you think thd players would feel abut that...

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premier fan BR4 06 Dec 18 1.38pm
Originally posted by Willo If one examines the accounts for 2016/17 one will see that the wage bill was nigh on £112 Mill which was the 9th highest in the PL and 6 times greater than it was in 2013. This is the problem with our club - we seem to pay high wages and offer long contracts. I think we should promote youth more (eg AWB) look at how this has turned out.
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BR4 06 Dec 18 1.38pm

Originally posted by Willo

If one examines the accounts for 2016/17 one will see that the wage bill was nigh on £112 Mill which was the 9th highest in the PL and 6 times greater than it was in 2013.

This is the problem with our club - we seem to pay high wages and offer long contracts. I think we should promote youth more (eg AWB) look at how this has turned out.

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Maine Eagle USA 06 Dec 18 1.51pm
Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER Edited by Midlands Eagle (06 Dec 2018 10.04am) Benteke hasn’t been scoring for over 16 months. Wickham may never regain fitness or his skills. And we sign Sorloth and Ayew. If you think that is a good approach and Parish has done no wrong, I wish you luck. As for Bromley, I don’t think my granddad would support that as he has followed Palace for decades. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 06 Dec 18 1.51pm

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

Edited by Midlands Eagle (06 Dec 2018 10.04am)

Benteke hasn’t been scoring for over 16 months.

Wickham may never regain fitness or his skills.

And we sign Sorloth and Ayew.

If you think that is a good approach and Parish has done no wrong, I wish you luck.

As for Bromley, I don’t think my granddad would support that as he has followed Palace for decades.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 06 Dec 18 1.57pm
Originally posted by Bangell Because we have no long-term plan, instead we spend big as we lurch from disaster to disaster and fail to create a deep and well-rounded squad. We're tossing out 55K p/w to the likes of Schlupp and Riedewald, whom nobody will take off our hands. Our failure to sort out the striker position isn't through a lack of money invested - we're paying around 300K p/w for our 4 strikers, having paid nearly £50 million in transfer fees - it's down to terrible scouting and transfer business. We are the experts at getting mugged off. Long term plan is not a phrase we are familiar with at the club. Well rounded squad is also an alien concept. Not so long ago we didn’t have any left backs and at a different point in time after not signing Niasse we had no fit strikers other than Ladapo. Not so long ago Dion Henry was next in line. Now Benteke goes down again and we can pick between Sorloth and Ayew to lead the line. P*** poor. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 06 Dec 18 1.57pm

Originally posted by Bangell

Because we have no long-term plan, instead we spend big as we lurch from disaster to disaster and fail to create a deep and well-rounded squad. We're tossing out 55K p/w to the likes of Schlupp and Riedewald, whom nobody will take off our hands.

Our failure to sort out the striker position isn't through a lack of money invested - we're paying around 300K p/w for our 4 strikers, having paid nearly £50 million in transfer fees - it's down to terrible scouting and transfer business. We are the experts at getting mugged off.

Long term plan is not a phrase we are familiar with at the club.

Well rounded squad is also an alien concept.

Not so long ago we didn’t have any left backs and at a different point in time after not signing Niasse we had no fit strikers other than Ladapo. Not so long ago Dion Henry was next in line.

Now Benteke goes down again and we can pick between Sorloth and Ayew to lead the line.

P*** poor.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 18 2.04pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Benteke hasn’t been scoring for over 16 months. Wickham may never regain fitness or his skills. And we sign Sorloth and Ayew. If you think that is a good approach and Parish has done no wrong, I wish you luck. As for Bromley, I don’t think my granddad would support that as he has followed Palace for decades. One supposes that due to financial constraints, the signing of Sorloth who scored 1 in 2 in Denmark and Ayew who scored 11 goals for Swansea last season (Including in both games against us) for a combined fee of an initial £9Mill was viewed by the club as good business but of course it hasn't worked out.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 18 2.04pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Benteke hasn’t been scoring for over 16 months.

Wickham may never regain fitness or his skills.

And we sign Sorloth and Ayew.

If you think that is a good approach and Parish has done no wrong, I wish you luck.

As for Bromley, I don’t think my granddad would support that as he has followed Palace for decades.

One supposes that due to financial constraints, the signing of Sorloth who scored 1 in 2 in Denmark and Ayew who scored 11 goals for Swansea last season (Including in both games against us) for a combined fee of an initial £9Mill was viewed by the club as good business but of course it hasn't worked out.

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SouthLondonAP Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.11pm
Originally posted by jackosperoni The team of the '80s fell apart before 1982 was over. Ironically it fell apart before 1980 was over! We were relegated at the end of the 1980/81 season. South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]
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Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.11pm

Originally posted by jackosperoni

The team of the '80s fell apart before 1982 was over.

Ironically it fell apart before 1980 was over! We were relegated at the end of the 1980/81 season.

South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]

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SouthLondonAP Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.14pm
Originally posted by Tipp_Eagle agree with you 100 percent mate , the difference between us and brighton is we have no strength in dept, since brighton were promoted they have invested wisely and have a great scouting team of talent spotters and as a whole have moved forward and got better since promoted . We on the other hand have stood still.(except for the guys chasing mice around thee canteen) . management not at fault sam walked because board would not back him , pulis same . must be very frustrating for roy . I've been saying since the day Sam 'retired' that he walked because he wasn't backed but it seemed everyone wanted to accept the b/s. He clearly didn't rate Delaney (one of my all time favourite players) and no doubt didn't appreciate him being given a new contract the week before he 'retired'. Kinda undermined him not to mention the noises Parish was making about lack of money to spend in the summer. Why hang around and subject yourself to more firefighting? South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]
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Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.14pm

Originally posted by Tipp_Eagle

agree with you 100 percent mate , the difference between us and brighton is we have no strength in dept, since brighton were promoted they have invested wisely and have a great scouting team of talent spotters and as a whole have moved forward and got better since promoted . We on the other hand have stood still.(except for the guys chasing mice around thee canteen) . management not at fault sam walked because board would not back him , pulis same . must be very frustrating for roy .

I've been saying since the day Sam 'retired' that he walked because he wasn't backed but it seemed everyone wanted to accept the b/s.

He clearly didn't rate Delaney (one of my all time favourite players) and no doubt didn't appreciate him being given a new contract the week before he 'retired'.

Kinda undermined him not to mention the noises Parish was making about lack of money to spend in the summer. Why hang around and subject yourself to more firefighting?

South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]

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SouthLondonAP Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.16pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Parish is a terminal case. He can not, or will not learn. Transfer window after transfer window we see mistakes, bad signings, bizarre decisions and ridiculous rhetoric in the press. We will continue to scrape by, and then one year soonish we will get relegated, as Parish is unable to move us forward. Edited by Maine Eagle (05 Dec 2018 10.44pm) The problem is he never gets pulled up about any of this either in the media who seem to love him or with the Palace podcasts who seem to not dare upset him. South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]
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Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.16pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Parish is a terminal case.

He can not, or will not learn.

Transfer window after transfer window we see mistakes, bad signings, bizarre decisions and ridiculous rhetoric in the press.

We will continue to scrape by, and then one year soonish we will get relegated, as Parish is unable to move us forward.

Edited by Maine Eagle (05 Dec 2018 10.44pm)

The problem is he never gets pulled up about any of this either in the media who seem to love him or with the Palace podcasts who seem to not dare upset him.

South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]

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SouthLondonAP Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.27pm
Originally posted by MonsterMunch We havent though have we? As far as I am aware we are up to our eye balls in FFP. The Allardyce Window with Sakho has effectively left us snookered. A ridculous situation which ties in with your above statement. Edited by MonsterMunch (06 Dec 2018 9.45am) I don't agree with that. The summer before we spent £11m net. In the January Sam spent about £35m so in total we spent £46m. Parish kept saying he and Pardew didn't spend all the transfer chest in the summer in case it was needed in January. It was. Later, Parish said he and the two Americans lent the club money to buy players. He also claimed he tried his best to convince Bolasie not to leave. All of these statements can't be true yet he said them in audio and video interviews. Had Bolasie no left we would not have bought Benteke. That is pretty clear as he signed as soon as Bolasie left. So just how hard did he try to keep Bolasie? South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]
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Near Earth Orbit 06 Dec 18 3.27pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

We havent though have we? As far as I am aware we are up to our eye balls in FFP. The Allardyce Window with Sakho has effectively left us snookered. A ridculous situation which ties in with your above statement.

Edited by MonsterMunch (06 Dec 2018 9.45am)

I don't agree with that. The summer before we spent £11m net. In the January Sam spent about £35m so in total we spent £46m.

Parish kept saying he and Pardew didn't spend all the transfer chest in the summer in case it was needed in January. It was.

Later, Parish said he and the two Americans lent the club money to buy players. He also claimed he tried his best to convince Bolasie not to leave.

All of these statements can't be true yet he said them in audio and video interviews. Had Bolasie no left we would not have bought Benteke. That is pretty clear as he signed as soon as Bolasie left.

So just how hard did he try to keep Bolasie?

South London and Proud - an Crystal Palace blog, podcast and discussion forum. CLICK HERE [Link]

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Maine Eagle USA 06 Dec 18 3.30pm
Originally posted by SouthLondonAP The problem is he never gets pulled up about any of this either in the media who seem to love him or with the Palace podcasts who seem to not dare upset him. Funny you mention the pods. They are desperate to get him on so both Hambo on BOTN or JD on FYP pull their punches big time. Diyar K or Kevin Day do stick the boot in though. People running football clubs are generally given a lot of passes as half of them are bonkers. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 06 Dec 18 3.30pm

Originally posted by SouthLondonAP

The problem is he never gets pulled up about any of this either in the media who seem to love him or with the Palace podcasts who seem to not dare upset him.

Funny you mention the pods.

They are desperate to get him on so both Hambo on BOTN or JD on FYP pull their punches big time. Diyar K or Kevin Day do stick the boot in though.

People running football clubs are generally given a lot of passes as half of them are bonkers.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 18 3.35pm
Originally posted by SouthLondonAP I don't agree with that. The summer before we spent £11m net. In the January Sam spent about £35m so in total we spent £46m. Parish kept saying he and Pardew didn't spend all the transfer chest in the summer in case it was needed in January. It was. Later, Parish said he and the two Americans lent the club money to buy players. He also claimed he tried his best to convince Bolasie not to leave. All of these statements can't be true yet he said them in audio and video interviews. Had Bolasie no left we would not have bought Benteke. That is pretty clear as he signed as soon as Bolasie left. So just how hard did he try to keep Bolasie? Then De Boer joined and under him we signed Sakho for £26 Mill and Riedewald for nearly 8 Mill.Add that to the £46 and it is around £80 Mill. Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2018 4.14pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 18 3.35pm

Originally posted by SouthLondonAP

I don't agree with that. The summer before we spent £11m net. In the January Sam spent about £35m so in total we spent £46m.

Parish kept saying he and Pardew didn't spend all the transfer chest in the summer in case it was needed in January. It was.

Later, Parish said he and the two Americans lent the club money to buy players. He also claimed he tried his best to convince Bolasie not to leave.

All of these statements can't be true yet he said them in audio and video interviews. Had Bolasie no left we would not have bought Benteke. That is pretty clear as he signed as soon as Bolasie left.

So just how hard did he try to keep Bolasie?

Then De Boer joined and under him we signed Sakho for £26 Mill and Riedewald for nearly 8 Mill.Add that to the £46 and it is around £80 Mill.

Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2018 4.14pm)

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