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Stirlingsays 13 May 18 11.10am
Originally posted by 7mins I buy property renovate it and sell it. I’ve never sold a property to a under 30 (be it couple or single person). Property ownership is becoming a middle class thing. The working classes are going to be perennial renters. The welfare class will get social housing. The middle will own... the upper middle/higher classes will deal in property. A truism that you won't get taught at school and only observation will tell you because the mainstream media doesn't like 'home truths' either.....because their bosses are all wealthy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 May 18 11.10am

Originally posted by 7mins

I buy property renovate it and sell it. I’ve never sold a property to a under 30 (be it couple or single person).
Property ownership is becoming a middle class thing. The working classes are going to be perennial renters. The welfare class will get social housing. The middle will own... the upper middle/higher classes will deal in property.

A truism that you won't get taught at school and only observation will tell you because the mainstream media doesn't like 'home truths' either.....because their bosses are all wealthy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 May 18 12.47pm
Originally posted by pefwin That would be circa 1700 and the beginning of the rather unconservative industrial revolution. You are Jack Aubrey and I claim my prize. Edited by pefwin (12 May 2018 7.42pm) I agree that this is a process that has actually been going on a long time. The difference now is pace. We are talking about tens of thousands arriving here and needing housing, whereas in the past it was just an almost imperceptible trickle. I know it is the territory of the left to make comparisons to the past and claim it is all normal but that is a lie plain and simple. The current rate of population increase is unprecedented.
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Originally posted by pefwin

That would be circa 1700 and the beginning of the rather unconservative industrial revolution.

You are Jack Aubrey and I claim my prize.

Edited by pefwin (12 May 2018 7.42pm)

I agree that this is a process that has actually been going on a long time. The difference now is pace. We are talking about tens of thousands arriving here and needing housing, whereas in the past it was just an almost imperceptible trickle.

I know it is the territory of the left to make comparisons to the past and claim it is all normal but that is a lie plain and simple. The current rate of population increase is unprecedented.

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Stirlingsays 13 May 18 12.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I agree that this is a process that has actually been going on a long time. The difference now is pace. We are talking about tens of thousands arriving here and needing housing, whereas in the past it was just an almost imperceptible trickle. I know it is the territory of the left to make comparisons to the past and claim it is all normal but that is a lie plain and simple. The current rate of population increase is unprecedented. All comparison claims on previous immigration are a nonsense. Even without the 'plain as day' statistics anyone who has seen what has happened to London in thirty years can attest to that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 May 18 12.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I know it is the territory of the left to make comparisons to the past and claim it is all normal but that is a lie plain and simple. The current rate of population increase is unprecedented.

All comparison claims on previous immigration are a nonsense.

Even without the 'plain as day' statistics anyone who has seen what has happened to London in thirty years can attest to that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 13 May 18 9.18pm
Are we alone in being paranoid as a nation in having to own property. I read that in Europe most people rent. I believe certain countries have a fixed rate per size. Not sure if true though. Why is it home ownership is so important.
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The garden of England 13 May 18 9.18pm

Are we alone in being paranoid as a nation in having to own property.
I read that in Europe most people rent.
I believe certain countries have a fixed rate per size. Not sure if true though.
Why is it home ownership is so important.

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johnfirewall 13 May 18 10.00pm
Originally posted by 7mins I buy property renovate it and sell it. I’ve never sold a property to a under 30 (be it couple or single person). Property ownership is becoming a middle class thing. The working classes are going to be perennial renters. The welfare class will get social housing. The middle will own... the upper middle/higher classes will deal in property. What you're seeing is upward mobility.
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13 May 18 10.00pm

Originally posted by 7mins

What you're seeing is upward mobility.

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.TUX. 15 May 18 7.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What problems? The answer to most problems is, too many thick bloody people. EFA. Buy Litecoin.
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15 May 18 7.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What problems?

The answer to most problems is, too many thick bloody people.

EFA.

Buy Litecoin.

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 May 18 7.32pm
Originally posted by .TUX. EFA. Don't put yourself down.
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15 May 18 7.32pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

EFA.

Don't put yourself down.

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Mapletree Croydon 15 May 18 7.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Too many people too little housing focus over decades. Property boom politics being yet another example of short term political gain set against long term interest for the country. Also too many farmers with too much farming land perhaps? Edited by Stirlingsays (12 May 2018 1.07pm) I am delighted to see that you are a supporter of land reform Stirling. It is a shame that Scotland only paid it lip service when there was a chance to make radical changes. I assume you agree that significant tranches of land should be taken away from giant agribusiness (nationalised?) and given to the smaller farmers who tend to focus on food production and often achieve more per hectare. They also are more prone to using traditional methods less likely to exhaust the soil, a major concern currently. It would also give social benefits. The UK is currently less than 76% self sufficient for food and has not been self sufficient for over 200 years. A good job Brexit is coming then. That may drive land reform.
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Croydon 15 May 18 7.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Too many people too little housing focus over decades. Property boom politics being yet another example of short term political gain set against long term interest for the country.

Also too many farmers with too much farming land perhaps?

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 May 2018 1.07pm)

I am delighted to see that you are a supporter of land reform Stirling.

It is a shame that Scotland only paid it lip service when there was a chance to make radical changes.

I assume you agree that significant tranches of land should be taken away from giant agribusiness (nationalised?) and given to the smaller farmers who tend to focus on food production and often achieve more per hectare. They also are more prone to using traditional methods less likely to exhaust the soil, a major concern currently. It would also give social benefits.

The UK is currently less than 76% self sufficient for food and has not been self sufficient for over 200 years. A good job Brexit is coming then. That may drive land reform.

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Stirlingsays 15 May 18 7.58pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I am delighted to see that you are a supporter of land reform Stirling. It is a shame that Scotland only paid it lip service when there was a chance to make radical changes. I assume you agree that significant tranches of land should be taken away from giant agribusiness (nationalised?) and given to the smaller farmers who tend to focus on food production and often achieve more per hectare. They also are more prone to using traditional methods less likely to exhaust the soil, a major concern currently. It would also give social benefits. The UK is currently less than 76% self sufficient for food and has not been self sufficient for over 200 years. A good job Brexit is coming then. That may drive land reform. I'm working class and interested in what's better for the country overall. I have a sense of English/British/European/Western identity and an allegiance to secularism. I am very concerned about how the politicians both national and from the EU have handled these concerns these past couple of generations. They have trashed my country. Housing is just one of the consequences of their political short term decisions. I have no particular desire to punish property owners such as farmers. However, as the population continues to rise the impact on people like farmers is going to be obvious. They will come into the firing line. Decisions on priorities will have to be made. The stupidity and short termism of operating an immigration ponzi scheme over decades will became apparent enough. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 8.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 18 7.58pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am delighted to see that you are a supporter of land reform Stirling.

It is a shame that Scotland only paid it lip service when there was a chance to make radical changes.

The UK is currently less than 76% self sufficient for food and has not been self sufficient for over 200 years. A good job Brexit is coming then. That may drive land reform.

I'm working class and interested in what's better for the country overall. I have a sense of English/British/European/Western identity and an allegiance to secularism.

I am very concerned about how the politicians both national and from the EU have handled these concerns these past couple of generations.

They have trashed my country.

Housing is just one of the consequences of their political short term decisions. I have no particular desire to punish property owners such as farmers.

However, as the population continues to rise the impact on people like farmers is going to be obvious. They will come into the firing line.

Decisions on priorities will have to be made. The stupidity and short termism of operating an immigration ponzi scheme over decades will became apparent enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 8.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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.TUX. 15 May 18 8.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Don't put yourself down. I was 50 7wks ago. I retired 18months ago. I try to help people to understand a financial system that basically forces them to work until they day they bloody die. Other than picking an argument at every given opportunity, continually try to force your pointless bloody points upon people, what exactly do you do to help others here? Diddly is the answer. So shut the f*** up bud and for once in your life try to listen xxx Buy Litecoin.
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15 May 18 8.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't put yourself down.

I was 50 7wks ago. I retired 18months ago. I try to help people to understand a financial system that basically forces them to work until they day they bloody die.
Other than picking an argument at every given opportunity, continually try to force your pointless bloody points upon people, what exactly do you do to help others here? Diddly is the answer.

So shut the f*** up bud and for once in your life try to listen xxx

Buy Litecoin.

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Stirlingsays 15 May 18 8.27pm
Originally posted by .TUX. I was 50 7wks ago. I retired 18months ago. I try to help people to understand a financial system that basically forces them to work until they day they bloody die. Other than picking an argument at every given opportunity, continually try to force your pointless bloody points upon people, what exactly do you do to help others here? Diddly is the answer. So shut the f*** up bud and for once in your life try to listen xxx What did you do for your 50th? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 18 8.27pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

So shut the f*** up bud and for once in your life try to listen xxx

What did you do for your 50th?

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.TUX. 15 May 18 8.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What did you do for your 50th? We went to Egypt. Buy Litecoin.
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15 May 18 8.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What did you do for your 50th?

We went to Egypt.

Buy Litecoin.

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