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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Nov 17 4.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Most of the broadcast media is to the left of the spectrum....which as far more people watch TV than buy papers...is a far bigger problem. Objectivity can only be attempted by reading both sides.....I long ago lost hope in trusting journalists.....Journalists exist to make money...they are there to provide their editors what they want in the vast majority of cases....truth and balance are way down on the list for the majority. I agree with you on the 'bias' problem. I also see the 'click bait' problem and recognise the issues it creates. There is a question of 'echo chambers' and the whole issue needs very careful thought. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 3.36pm) Have you read the Flat Earth News book I suggested to Penge Stirling? Pretty interesting (and terrifying) read, though mostly illuminates the problems rather than offers a coherent solution. Personally keeping the BBC roughly the way it is (it pisses off both the right and the left...) is probably the best fudge we have. A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Nov 17 4.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Most of the broadcast media is to the left of the spectrum....which as far more people watch TV than buy papers...is a far bigger problem.

Objectivity can only be attempted by reading both sides.....I long ago lost hope in trusting journalists.....Journalists exist to make money...they are there to provide their editors what they want in the vast majority of cases....truth and balance are way down on the list for the majority.

I agree with you on the 'bias' problem. I also see the 'click bait' problem and recognise the issues it creates.

There is a question of 'echo chambers' and the whole issue needs very careful thought.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 3.36pm)

Have you read the Flat Earth News book I suggested to Penge Stirling? Pretty interesting (and terrifying) read, though mostly illuminates the problems rather than offers a coherent solution. Personally keeping the BBC roughly the way it is (it pisses off both the right and the left...) is probably the best fudge we have.

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Stirlingsays 23 Nov 17 4.45pm
Originally posted by tome Have you read the Flat Earth News book I suggested to Penge Stirling? Pretty interesting (and terrifying) read, though mostly illuminates the problems rather than offers a coherent solution. Personally keeping the BBC roughly the way it is (it pisses off both the right and the left...) is probably the best fudge we have. I haven't, perhaps I should have. But I watch quite a few of Tim Pool's videos on Youtube and he explains how mainstream journalism works on there. As far as I can tell the BBC commissions no fictional programmees that doesn't reinforce a 'progressive' perspective.....I wouldn't call what they do 'liberal' or balanced. And their website is off the rails progressive. But that's just my point of view obviously. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 4.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Nov 17 4.45pm

Originally posted by tome

I haven't, perhaps I should have. But I watch quite a few of Tim Pool's videos on Youtube and he explains how mainstream journalism works on there.

As far as I can tell the BBC commissions no fictional programmees that doesn't reinforce a 'progressive' perspective.....I wouldn't call what they do 'liberal' or balanced.

And their website is off the rails progressive.

But that's just my point of view obviously.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 4.46pm)

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Nov 17 5.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I haven't, perhaps I should have. But I watch quite a few of Tim Pool's videos on Youtube and he explains how mainstream journalism works on there. As far as I can tell the BBC commissions no fictional programmees that doesn't reinforce a 'progressive' perspective.....I wouldn't call what they do 'liberal' or balanced. And their website is off the rails progressive. But that's just my point of view obviously. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 4.46pm) I think you'd find the book interesting - will look up the video, haven't heard of Tim Pool. Personally I think better progressive than regressive, no? After all, change is constant. But paint a picture too absurd and you're likely to have the opposite from intended effect. I am not generally convinced that the BBC is agenda-driven. I think it's driven by public service ideas on broadcasting, some popular entertainment and attempting to be impartial in political discussions. I think the intent is not malign, essentially. That doesn't mean that the implementation is blemish free by any stretch. But look at things like Blue Planet and Louis Theroux, look at the news and the comparison to pretty much any other broadcaster on the planet is off the charts. The BBC, like the NHS, is an institution the country should be proud of. A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Nov 17 5.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I haven't, perhaps I should have. But I watch quite a few of Tim Pool's videos on Youtube and he explains how mainstream journalism works on there.

As far as I can tell the BBC commissions no fictional programmees that doesn't reinforce a 'progressive' perspective.....I wouldn't call what they do 'liberal' or balanced.

And their website is off the rails progressive.

But that's just my point of view obviously.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 4.46pm)

I think you'd find the book interesting - will look up the video, haven't heard of Tim Pool.

Personally I think better progressive than regressive, no? After all, change is constant. But paint a picture too absurd and you're likely to have the opposite from intended effect.

I am not generally convinced that the BBC is agenda-driven. I think it's driven by public service ideas on broadcasting, some popular entertainment and attempting to be impartial in political discussions.

I think the intent is not malign, essentially. That doesn't mean that the implementation is blemish free by any stretch. But look at things like Blue Planet and Louis Theroux, look at the news and the comparison to pretty much any other broadcaster on the planet is off the charts.

The BBC, like the NHS, is an institution the country should be proud of.

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Stirlingsays 25 Nov 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by tome Personally I think better progressive than regressive, no? After all, change is constant. But paint a picture too absurd and you're likely to have the opposite from intended effect. Progressivism is 'progressive' in the same way that a tumour is progressive. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Nov 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by tome

Personally I think better progressive than regressive, no? After all, change is constant. But paint a picture too absurd and you're likely to have the opposite from intended effect.

Progressivism is 'progressive' in the same way that a tumour is progressive.

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 25 Nov 17 9.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Progressivism is 'progressive' in the same way that a tumour is progressive. What's your definition of 'progressivism'? Not really come across this one much. A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 25 Nov 17 9.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Progressivism is 'progressive' in the same way that a tumour is progressive.

What's your definition of 'progressivism'? Not really come across this one much.

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Stirlingsays 25 Nov 17 11.13pm
Originally posted by tome What's your definition of 'progressivism'? Not really come across this one much. The advocacy of identity politics, political correctness, the instinctive over protection of minorities over majorities, third wave feminism, anti capitalism, the pursuit of equality over meritocracy, open borders, internationalism over nationalism.......the idea that people are just social constructs to be molded rather than biologically determined beings to significant degrees...Implicit and explicit misandry...an over blaming of masculinity for being 'toxic'...Essentially cultural Marxism mixed in with an over attachment to the impractical elements of egalitarianism. Something like that. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Nov 2017 11.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Nov 17 11.13pm

Originally posted by tome

What's your definition of 'progressivism'? Not really come across this one much.

The advocacy of identity politics, political correctness, the instinctive over protection of minorities over majorities, third wave feminism, anti capitalism, the pursuit of equality over meritocracy, open borders, internationalism over nationalism.......the idea that people are just social constructs to be molded rather than biologically determined beings to significant degrees...Implicit and explicit misandry...an over blaming of masculinity for being 'toxic'...Essentially cultural Marxism mixed in with an over attachment to the impractical elements of egalitarianism.

Something like that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Nov 2017 11.34pm)

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7mins In the bush 07 Dec 17 10.45am
The head of MI5 said they’ve arrested 400 people involved in terrorist activity this year. They foiled 9 major terrorist attacks (2 were biggest attacks uk would have seen). They’re got a list of 3000 people who have been reported to them that have terrorist sympathies... of these... 500 are being watched. They have their own list of 20000 people who have been involved in hate speech against uk. He also said the number is growing, and believes the threat is the worst it’s ever been in his 34 year career... and will only get worse.
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In the bush 07 Dec 17 10.45am

The head of MI5 said they’ve arrested 400 people involved in terrorist activity this year. They foiled 9 major terrorist attacks (2 were biggest attacks uk would have seen). They’re got a list of 3000 people who have been reported to them that have terrorist sympathies... of these... 500 are being watched.
They have their own list of 20000 people who have been involved in hate speech against uk. He also said the number is growing, and believes the threat is the worst it’s ever been in his 34 year career... and will only get worse.

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 17 11.51am
Originally posted by 7mins The head of MI5 said they’ve arrested 400 people involved in terrorist activity this year. They foiled 9 major terrorist attacks (2 were biggest attacks uk would have seen). They’re got a list of 3000 people who have been reported to them that have terrorist sympathies... of these... 500 are being watched. They have their own list of 20000 people who have been involved in hate speech against uk. He also said the number is growing, and believes the threat is the worst it’s ever been in his 34 year career... and will only get worse. And this week a plot to kill the Prime Minister. None of the usual lefty thread starters keen to mention that one. But It's OK. Most Muslims are peaceful.
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Originally posted by 7mins

And this week a plot to kill the Prime Minister.
None of the usual lefty thread starters keen to mention that one.
But It's OK. Most Muslims are peaceful.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Dec 17 12.08pm
[Link] Politician talking sense shocker Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Dec 17 12.08pm

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Politician talking sense **shocker**

Pro USA & Israel

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Dec 17 12.22pm
Originally posted by Jimenez [Link] Politician talking sense shocker I don't really have a problem with this in theory, provided their is sufficient oversight, except in terms of the practical - How do you determine if someone was actually fighting for IS. Because otherwise you're going to end up with extra-judicial executions, of British Citizens, by the state without any kind of due process - based on questionable intelligence sources and sooner or later you're going to end up killing the wrong person. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Dec 17 12.22pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

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Politician talking sense **shocker**

I don't really have a problem with this in theory, provided their is sufficient oversight, except in terms of the practical - How do you determine if someone was actually fighting for IS.

Because otherwise you're going to end up with extra-judicial executions, of British Citizens, by the state without any kind of due process - based on questionable intelligence sources and sooner or later you're going to end up killing the wrong person.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 17 12.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't really have a problem with this in theory, provided their is sufficient oversight, except in terms of the practical - How do you determine if someone was actually fighting for IS. Because otherwise you're going to end up with extra-judicial executions, of British Citizens, by the state without any kind of due process - based on questionable intelligence sources and sooner or later you're going to end up killing the wrong person. Sadly we killed loads of the 'Wrong people' during WW2 and other conflicts for the greater good. Protecting the innocent ain't always pretty.
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Hrolf The Ganger

07 Dec 17 12.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't really have a problem with this in theory, provided their is sufficient oversight, except in terms of the practical - How do you determine if someone was actually fighting for IS.

Sadly we killed loads of the 'Wrong people' during WW2 and other conflicts for the greater good. Protecting the innocent ain't always pretty.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Dec 17 12.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And this week a plot to kill the Prime Minister. None of the usual lefty thread starters keen to mention that one. But It's OK. Most Muslims are peaceful. What I find odd, is how this is so unacceptable - We kind of declared war on IS, and spent the last couple of years throwing missiles and bombs at them, including their leadership. Yet, when people allied to them target our Prime Minister (rather than civilians say at a concert) its a special kind of wrong. Seems like fair game in a war. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Dec 17 12.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And this week a plot to kill the Prime Minister.
None of the usual lefty thread starters keen to mention that one.
But It's OK. Most Muslims are peaceful.

What I find odd, is how this is so unacceptable - We kind of declared war on IS, and spent the last couple of years throwing missiles and bombs at them, including their leadership. Yet, when people allied to them target our Prime Minister (rather than civilians say at a concert) its a special kind of wrong.

Seems like fair game in a war.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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