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jamiemartin721  Reading 09 Nov 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
? So you work all your life only to be denied democracy because of ageism. Shall we deny voting to the stupid? So lets stop people voting who have an IQ under 90. Hell, lets have children voting below 16.....Hell, who are you to decide when people have enough life experience. In reality, all you care about is your viewpoint winning. Well...I had to put up with living in your EU centric reality for decades without demanding the disfigurement of democracy.....now the boot is on the other foot. Perhaps you could do the same. I'd give 16 and 17 year olds in full time employment the vote (and the right to drink in a pub). On the basis that they're contributing to society financially. You're paying for that bunch of c**ts who run the show, you might as well take some of the blame for employing them. Similarly, armed services personal 16 and 17 - Whilst they might be kids, I reckon if you've decided to join up, you're capable of making some pretty serious decisions (plus you're probably working full time etc). Other wise 18 to the day you die, you should probably be eligible to vote (I'd include prisoners, but I know a lot of people wouldn't). Although in an ideal world, you'd have to qualify by being able to read, write and do basic math to say the grade of a 12 year old.
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 Mapletree Croydon 09 Nov 17 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'd give 16 and 17 year olds in full time employment the vote (and the right to drink in a pub). On the basis that they're contributing to society financially. You're paying for that bunch of c**ts who run the show, you might as well take some of the blame for employing them. Similarly, armed services personal 16 and 17 - Whilst they might be kids, I reckon if you've decided to join up, you're capable of making some pretty serious decisions (plus you're probably working full time etc). Other wise 18 to the day you die, you should probably be eligible to vote (I'd include prisoners, but I know a lot of people wouldn't). Although in an ideal world, you'd have to qualify by being able to read, write and do basic math to say the grade of a 12 year old. Basic Math? Blimey, you watch too much American TV
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| Midlands Eagle 09 Nov 17 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'd give 16 and 17 year olds in full time employment the vote (and the right to drink in a pub). On the basis that they're contributing to society financially. Whilst it may be a good idea in principle it would be very difficult to administer. Would young voters have to take their latest payslip to the voting booth?
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Nov 17 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
? So you work all your life only to be denied democracy because of ageism. Shall we deny voting to the stupid? So lets stop people voting who have an IQ under 90. Hell, lets have children voting below 16.....Hell, who are you to decide when people have enough life experience. In reality, all you care about is your viewpoint winning. Well...I had to put up with living in your EU centric reality for decades without demanding the disfigurement of democracy.....now the boot is on the other foot. Perhaps you could do the same. Interesting thing to suffer a sense of humour failure over. I could have sworn you are under 75. I don't in fact recommend disenfranchising older people. Nevertheless there is an argument that you should have different voting rights for those that are in work. Soon the DB pensions will have worked through the system and then sense should prevail again. People won't be so blatantly disconnected from the economy. They will actually care if decisions they make damage the economy longer term. It's always the same, those that have something are quite happy to stop others joining in. We should be more open minded about young people, the old always look for fault in them and try to control them beyond what is necessary. Maybe there are ways to ease them into suffrage, perhaps the Scots got it spot on.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Nov 17 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'd give 16 and 17 year olds in full time employment the vote (and the right to drink in a pub). On the basis that they're contributing to society financially. You're paying for that bunch of c**ts who run the show, you might as well take some of the blame for employing them. Similarly, armed services personal 16 and 17 - Whilst they might be kids, I reckon if you've decided to join up, you're capable of making some pretty serious decisions (plus you're probably working full time etc). Other wise 18 to the day you die, you should probably be eligible to vote (I'd include prisoners, but I know a lot of people wouldn't). Although in an ideal world, you'd have to qualify by being able to read, write and do basic math to say the grade of a 12 year old. Signing up and being in the front line are not the same thing. No taxation without representation is a powerful argument for me. If you are working and paying taxes....not just passing an age....But then if we are going to do this then we have to start looking at the fact that the state says you are a child until you are 18, which impacts on lots of different fronts. I'm just not seeing any powerful arguments that improve anything here.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 09 Nov 17 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The country.....obviously thought extremely highly of Churchill.....He was re-elected and anyone who goes to YouTube and watches his funeral will see it writ large.
Lenin and the ongoing queues at his mausoleum come to mind. On topic: Boris the Mayor of London might have stood a chance at a GE. Boris the hopelessly out of his depth national politician would be even more of a vote loser beyond a certain tory core than May now is. For all Jezza's failings, he is a comprehensively better politician and more electable national figure than Boris now is. I'd bet quite a lot of my own money on saying that sensible tory central office strategists and ruthless media barons alike believe this too. Edited by Mr_Gristle (09 Nov 2017 5.46pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 Nov 17 6.14pm |
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Right Mr G. But isn't there a problem for people that want a different society, that they will not get one by voting for Jezza, as he feels he has to appeal to those kind of people to get elected. For me their manifesto will have to actually show how they mean to deliver an economy for the many not the few. Perhaps people are prepared for a big dent in capitalism now and re-alignment in society. The present system does not work, only for the privileged few and it is corrupt, I think people are seeing it now.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 17 6.20pm |
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Well they suspended him.
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| Pikester Worthing 09 Nov 17 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
OK, so you would do with the fragrant Priti I would if her boob job goes as well as she hopes it will:
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Attachment:  Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 17 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'd give 16 and 17 year olds in full time employment the vote (and the right to drink in a pub). On the basis that they're contributing to society financially. You're paying for that bunch of c**ts who run the show, you might as well take some of the blame for employing them. Similarly, armed services personal 16 and 17 - Whilst they might be kids, I reckon if you've decided to join up, you're capable of making some pretty serious decisions (plus you're probably working full time etc). Other wise 18 to the day you die, you should probably be eligible to vote (I'd include prisoners, but I know a lot of people wouldn't). Although in an ideal world, you'd have to qualify by being able to read, write and do basic math to say the grade of a 12 year old. No no no. Socialists want the voting age dropped because they know that the young are dumb enough to vote Labour. I'd raise the voting age to 21. In this era, the young have barely learned to wipe their own arse by then.
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| Mr Palaceman 09 Nov 17 9.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No no no. Socialists want the voting age dropped because they know that the young are dumb enough to vote Labour. I'd raise the voting age to 21. In this era, the young have barely learned to wipe their own arse by then. Probably more people over 60 that can't wipe their own @rse. The older you get the more your stuck in your ways. Wouldn't lower the age though. 18 is low enough.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Nov 17 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
Probably more people over 60 that can't wipe their own @rse. The older you get the more your stuck in your ways. Wouldn't lower the age though. 18 is low enough. Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. [Orwell]
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