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  Hrolf The Ganger  18 Oct 17 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh dear. You don't have much to offer these days do you my little Sputnik. I thought I was repetitive.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Oct 17 4.50pm |
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Apparently it Sampson was found to be in breach of the 2010 FA own rules on racism. Twice. Unsurprisingly, when you break the rules of your employer, they do tend to take a negative view.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 17 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Apparently it Sampson was found to be in breach of the 2010 FA own rules on racism. Twice. Unsurprisingly, when you break the rules of your employer, they do tend to take a negative view. So you think what he said was 'racism'? And you don't find the series of events just a little suspicious?
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| Stuk Top half 18 Oct 17 5.07pm |
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Lianne Sanderson says Mark Sampson was the reason she returned to the England fold in 2015: "The way Mark treated Eni, I felt Hope Powell was treating me like that. I felt I was succeeding under Mark, and I felt he gave me the necessary tools to succeed in that environment. It was Mark who persuaded me to come back to England in 2015." When is the parliamentary hearing about her then?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 17 5.08pm |
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I don't think he's guilty of intended hurtful racism. Definitely guilty of unfunny attempt at racial humour that goes on in changing rooms and the school playground. His is from the '70s and '80s which he wouldn't attempt in a changing room of predominantly black male players, whether professional or a team from Thornton Heath. Can you imagine Parish saying that to Benteke or Sakho if their family were living in Africa. 'Hey Mama, I heard your parents are coming over for the game. They're welcome in the lounges in the main stand. Make sure they don't bring Ebola.' Would anyone here say it to the black guy in the gym who bench presses 120kg? She should've brought it up at the time if she was so offended. But also, judging by the show of solidarity recently, he should've thought twice before saying it to the well spoken, law studying black female? All round that was an epic fail of humour. Football is definitely trying to sanitise the sport and clear the decks of any unnecessary prejudices because some, and growing probably, don't find this sort of thing amusing or entertaining. Some who don't know when to keep their mouths shut when unfunny attempts at banter enter their heads will be the fall guys. If they can't see that early on then it confirms their stupidity.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don't think he's guilty of intended hurtful racism. Definitely guilty of unfunny attempt at racial humour that goes on in changing rooms and the school playground. His is from the '70s and '80s which he wouldn't attempt in a changing room of predominantly black male players, whether professional or a team from Thornton Heath. Can you imagine Parish saying that to Benteke or Sakho if their family were living in Africa. 'Hey Mama, I heard your parents are coming over for the game. They're welcome in the lounges in the main stand. Make sure they don't bring Ebola.' Would anyone here say it to the black guy in the gym who bench presses 120kg? She should've brought it up at the time if she was so offended. But also, judging by the show of solidarity recently, he should've thought twice before saying it to the well spoken, law studying black female? All round that was an epic fail of humour. Football is definitely trying to sanitise the sport and clear the decks of any unnecessary prejudices because some, and growing probably, don't find this sort of thing amusing or entertaining. Some who don't know when to keep their mouths shut when unfunny attempts at banter enter their heads will be the fall guys. If they can't see that early on then it confirms their stupidity. What happens if the Ebola had been in South Africa and she had been White? Would it be 'racism' then? THe answer is no and no. The FA and parliament are protecting themselves by pandering to lunacy. Shame on them all.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 18 Oct 17 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Apparently it Sampson was found to be in breach of the 2010 FA own rules on racism. Twice. Unsurprisingly, when you break the rules of your employer, they do tend to take a negative view. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take legal action if there's ANY doubt should this prove to be less than a concrete case of racism
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 17 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by npn
OK, so if even our own Mr Hodgson (as mild mannered as he seems to be) were fired because 2 players took offence to something he said, you'd be OK with that and think it not an issue and perfectly OK? If you would, then I have no problem with your stance, I'd even consider it an honourable one, but I freely admit that I'd personally be more than a little miffed with those players. Roy is too intelligent to say anything risky or unfunny like that because, as I've said, you've now got to be a fool to do so. The players are in awe of his multi lingual skills. No prem manager would say or risk saying anything like that even if they thought it, maybe if that's since Malky Mackay. Remember him? Football is trying to appeal to all and not just the comprehensive high school playground rules of humour. Like it or not, it's happening.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 17 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What happens if the Ebola had been in South Africa and she had been White? Would it be 'racism' then? THe answer is no and no. The FA and parliament are protecting themselves by pandering to lunacy. Shame on them all. Would you say it to a black male bigger than you, or a black female who your missus knew well?
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| Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 5.24pm |
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All this says to me is don't employ the chipper person....always that percent willing to play the victim for gain, financial or otherwise. What is accepted as offence is ridiculous.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Would you say it to a black male bigger than you, or a black female who your missus knew well? I've only ever feared my father. No man worth his salt backs down from another due to his size. Changing your language due to a person's skin is racism.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 18 Oct 17 5.27pm |
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Current bullets from today's hearing: Sampson appears to have difficulty judging the appropriate boundaries when engaging in 'banter' with the players. Had Sampson remained as manager, she would have recommended he attended equal opportunities and diversity training as soon as possible. All employees of the FA, regardless of their position and no matter how senior, should be given diversity training Any training should be appropriately tailored (although by no means limited) to the sorts of circumstances likely to arise in a footballing environment with a particular focus on "banter" and "jokes". So how come the bits in bold weren't applied to him at the time?
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