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Red Al Reading 18 Jul 17 5.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Bond is culturally specific as well. He had a Scottish father and a Swiss mother. The simple fact is that I want Bond to be White. I am white and he has always been written as white. I'm happy with that. How does having Scottish or Swiss parents equate to being white? Oh, and "white" doesn't need a capital letter...
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Reading 18 Jul 17 5.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Bond is culturally specific as well. He had a Scottish father and a Swiss mother.
The simple fact is that I want Bond to be White. I am white and he has always been written as white. I'm happy with that.

How does having Scottish or Swiss parents equate to being white? Oh, and "white" doesn't need a capital letter...

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Red Al Reading 18 Jul 17 5.48pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston The difference between you and me is that I want the representation of Bond to be done well; you want white first, quality second. There's a word for that. Well said...
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Reading 18 Jul 17 5.48pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The difference between you and me is that I want the representation of Bond to be done well; you want white first, quality second. There's a word for that.

Well said...

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wordup 18 Jul 17 5.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I want Bond to be white because I'm white and his character has always been white. If he ever becomes Black it will be because someone thinks it will make more money, not to further the success of the Black 'race'. What ever colour he is, I will have more important things to worry about. I'm curious as to what you mean. You feel that you identify with him far more because he's white? Is how you feel about race that pronounced? I don't ever recall seeing a Brit play a role and feel a disconnect based on skin colour. Maybe you mean something else and it's just awkwardly worded.
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18 Jul 17 5.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I want Bond to be white because I'm white and his character has always been white. If he ever becomes Black it will be because someone thinks it will make more money, not to further the success of the Black 'race'.

What ever colour he is, I will have more important things to worry about.

I'm curious as to what you mean. You feel that you identify with him far more because he's white? Is how you feel about race that pronounced?

I don't ever recall seeing a Brit play a role and feel a disconnect based on skin colour. Maybe you mean something else and it's just awkwardly worded.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 6.00pm
Originally posted by wordup I'm curious as to what you mean. You feel that you identify with him far more because he's white? Is how you feel about race that pronounced? I don't ever recall seeing a Brit play a role and feel a disconnect based on skin colour. Maybe you mean something else and it's just awkwardly worded. So you are having a meltdown and asking painfully loaded questions because I say that I prefer Bond to be White because I'm White? You are familiar with human nature? Maybe you are superior in your own mind and think you don't you suffer from it?
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18 Jul 17 6.00pm

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Originally posted by wordup

I'm curious as to what you mean. You feel that you identify with him far more because he's white? Is how you feel about race that pronounced?

I don't ever recall seeing a Brit play a role and feel a disconnect based on skin colour. Maybe you mean something else and it's just awkwardly worded.

So you are having a meltdown and asking painfully loaded questions because I say that I prefer Bond to be White because I'm White?

You are familiar with human nature? Maybe you are superior in your own mind and think you don't you suffer from it?

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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 6.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger White actors usually play foreign characters because they are box office draws where as a whole cast of unknown Egyptians, for example, will sink like a stone. I don't think this concept is dificult to grasp. This is true...currently. I was extrapolating to the point, inevitably, when the Asian box office dominates and so Hollywood will panders more heavily to that market (as it has already started doing). You seem to think your white privilege is going to last forever, when it most definitely is not. Also, both Egypt movies sank like stones anyway, white stars be damned. The studios would've lost less money - and gained more credibility - casting middle eastern actors. Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.07pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

White actors usually play foreign characters because they are box office draws where as a whole cast of unknown Egyptians, for example, will sink like a stone.

I don't think this concept is dificult to grasp.

This is true...currently. I was extrapolating to the point, inevitably, when the Asian box office dominates and so Hollywood will panders more heavily to that market (as it has already started doing). You seem to think your white privilege is going to last forever, when it most definitely is not.

Also, both Egypt movies sank like stones anyway, white stars be damned. The studios would've lost less money - and gained more credibility - casting middle eastern actors.

Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.07pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 6.08pm
Originally posted by Red Al How does having Scottish or Swiss parents equate to being white? Oh, and "white" doesn't need a capital letter... No, obviously he is far more likely to be Black with the percentage of Black people in Scotland and Switzerland 40 or so years ago. Spare me please. And I say it does, because Black and White is not the actual colour of the person but a simplified and accepted way to describe a certain group.
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18 Jul 17 6.08pm

Originally posted by Red Al

How does having Scottish or Swiss parents equate to being white? Oh, and "white" doesn't need a capital letter...

No, obviously he is far more likely to be Black with the percentage of Black people in Scotland and Switzerland 40 or so years ago. Spare me please.

And I say it does, because Black and White is not the actual colour of the person but a simplified and accepted way to describe a certain group.

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wordup 18 Jul 17 6.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you are having a meltdown and asking painfully loaded questions because I say that I prefer Bond to be White because I'm White? You are familiar with human nature? Maybe you are superior in your own mind and think you don't you suffer from it? I'm not sure that asking a question about your comment can be considered a 'meltdown'. I was genuinely curious if it was that important to you. I didn't say it's superior to think otherwise either but if it angers you that I can feel an affinity to characters of other races, that's certainly not my issue. Edited by wordup (18 Jul 2017 6.15pm)
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18 Jul 17 6.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are having a meltdown and asking painfully loaded questions because I say that I prefer Bond to be White because I'm White?

You are familiar with human nature? Maybe you are superior in your own mind and think you don't you suffer from it?

I'm not sure that asking a question about your comment can be considered a 'meltdown'. I was genuinely curious if it was that important to you.

I didn't say it's superior to think otherwise either but if it angers you that I can feel an affinity to characters of other races, that's certainly not my issue.

Edited by wordup (18 Jul 2017 6.15pm)

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Ray in Houston Houston 18 Jul 17 6.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I want Bond to be white because I'm white and his character has always been white. If he ever becomes Black it will be because someone thinks it will make more money, not to further the success of the Black 'race'. What ever colour he is, I will have more important things to worry about. Wow! So you're saying that a black actor could never win the role of Bond over a white actor by being a better actor; the black actor would only get the role because of someone's agenda? Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.13pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 18 Jul 17 6.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I want Bond to be white because I'm white and his character has always been white. If he ever becomes Black it will be because someone thinks it will make more money, not to further the success of the Black 'race'.

What ever colour he is, I will have more important things to worry about.

Wow! So you're saying that a black actor could never win the role of Bond over a white actor by being a better actor; the black actor would only get the role because of someone's agenda?

Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.13pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 6.16pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston This is true...currently. I was extrapolating to the point, inevitably, when the Asian box office dominates and so Hollywood will panders more heavily to that market (as it has already started doing). You seem to think your white privilege is going to last forever, when it most definitely is not. Also, both Egypt movies sank like stones anyway, white stars be damned. The studios would've lost less money - and gained more credibility - casting middle eastern actors. Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.07pm) My white privilege? I haven't noticed any. That all sounds a bit like bigotry to me. Maybe people who work hard to achieve get what they deserve and those that blame everyone else for their problems get what they deserve. Just a thought. And the Egypt movies probably bombed because they were s***.
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18 Jul 17 6.16pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

This is true...currently. I was extrapolating to the point, inevitably, when the Asian box office dominates and so Hollywood will panders more heavily to that market (as it has already started doing). You seem to think your white privilege is going to last forever, when it most definitely is not.

Also, both Egypt movies sank like stones anyway, white stars be damned. The studios would've lost less money - and gained more credibility - casting middle eastern actors.

Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.07pm)

My white privilege? I haven't noticed any. That all sounds a bit like bigotry to me.
Maybe people who work hard to achieve get what they deserve and those that blame everyone else for their problems get what they deserve.
Just a thought.
And the Egypt movies probably bombed because they were s***.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 17 6.17pm
Bond is meant to be white from the books....that's obvious but it's not exactly the most important thing and it's just a fictional character. If they brought in a black actor to play Bond I'd be ok with it just as long as it was in keeping with the character of Bond. If it's the best actor about...then blah blah and all that. Jamie's 'trans Bond could be good' stuff just proves that he's taking recreationals into work with him. Bond is meant to be white and male in his late thirties, early forties.....But hey...we are living in an age where a Time Lord is now a Time Lady.....all so that beta males can get excited and think they are doing something. Not to sure how a 'lord' is meant to be female but feck it.....authenticity is for those interested in details not agendas. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 6.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 17 6.17pm

Bond is meant to be white from the books....that's obvious but it's not exactly the most important thing and it's just a fictional character.

If they brought in a black actor to play Bond I'd be ok with it just as long as it was in keeping with the character of Bond. If it's the best actor about...then blah blah and all that.

Jamie's 'trans Bond could be good' stuff just proves that he's taking recreationals into work with him.

Bond is meant to be white and male in his late thirties, early forties.....But hey...we are living in an age where a Time Lord is now a Time Lady.....all so that beta males can get excited and think they are doing something.

Not to sure how a 'lord' is meant to be female but feck it.....authenticity is for those interested in details not agendas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 6.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 6.20pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Wow! So you're saying that a black actor could never win the role of Bond over a white actor by being a better actor; the black actor would only get the role because of someone's agenda? Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.13pm) No, only you said that in the highlighted bit. I said I preferred Bond to be White because I'm White. Got a problem with that?
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Hrolf The Ganger

18 Jul 17 6.20pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Wow! So you're saying that a black actor could never win the role of Bond over a white actor by being a better actor; the black actor would only get the role because of someone's agenda?

Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 6.13pm)

No, only you said that in the highlighted bit.

I said I preferred Bond to be White because I'm White.
Got a problem with that?

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 6.26pm
Originally posted by wordup I'm not sure that asking a question about your comment can be considered a 'meltdown'. I was genuinely curious if it was that important to you. I didn't say it's superior to think otherwise either but if it angers you that I can feel an affinity to characters of other races, that's certainly not my issue. Important? Movies about a ridiculous spy? Er no. It's just fun. Why do you give a s*? Edited by wordup (18 Jul 2017 6.15pm) Important? Movies about a ridiculous spy? Er no. It's just fun. Why do you give a s*?
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18 Jul 17 6.26pm

Originally posted by wordup

I'm not sure that asking a question about your comment can be considered a 'meltdown'. I was genuinely curious if it was that important to you.

I didn't say it's superior to think otherwise either but if it angers you that I can feel an affinity to characters of other races, that's certainly not my issue.

Important? Movies about a ridiculous spy?

Er no. It's just fun.

Why do you give a s***?

Edited by wordup (18 Jul 2017 6.15pm)

Important? Movies about a ridiculous spy?

Er no. It's just fun.

Why do you give a s***?

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