Shocking load of bollox Hoof,you joined in with the crowd to tell Willo hes wrong,hes discredited himself and he should reconsider his opinion. Nowhere did you suggest anyone else was wrong or that anyone else should change their opinion.To follow it up with the above is about as disingenuous as it gets.And so it sinks in,i think Willo has a far greater understanding of the Moss incident than anyone else involved in this discussion.

Absolutely !

I am more than happy to engage in debate free of any bitterness and rancour.We might have different viewpoints but we can argue our case in a sensible and mature fashion without the need for any personal slurs.

People on here think I defend referees through "Hell and high water" just to antagonise but all I try and do is to see it from a referee's standpoint and indicate why I think he made an error if indeed I think an error was made.Referees are only human and as such will err from time to time - some will go in our favour and some will go against us.

Edited by Willo (08 Oct 2016 12.58pm)

Further more I do not believe he is even a palace fan, south coast troll is what he is.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Ye cannot serve God and Mammon, Willo.

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And I'm beginning to formulate the opinion that you are most likely an ex redcarded Hol member with a grudge who is in danger of giving yourself away to the Mods. Your MO is very similar to a high profile argumentative ex Hol member.

Anyway for the record I only ever mention being a qualified ref when someone like Willo criticises people's opinions by banging on about them not being a qualified referee and therefore unable to understand the pressures of being a ref. So rather than adding weight to my opinion it was designed to shut Willo up.

You talk also about him being bullied, but in his own way he attempts to browbeat people into submission with his tactics and you are just sh!t stirring for a wind up too.

As I said before, the debate became futile days ago and the topic should be locked.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (09 Oct 2016 10.53am)

Formulate what you want mucka,i am not a high profile kind of bloke I am just opinionated in the same way you are.The bullying reference was a loose one as its an online forum used by football supporters,not kids on Facebook.As I said,Willo does my nut in sometimes but I take each subject individually wherever possible and in this case I believe Willo has a better perspective than most other contributors.That doesn't make me or him right,but the comment you made was both self-important and contradictory imo and like you I will say so.And as ive said a couple of times,unless Moss explains what he saw and why he made the decisions he made then its simply conjecture.Reading Willo's comments on this incident I felt like that was his stance as well and while I really really don't agree on his defence of Clattenburg that is a separate issue on a thread entitled Jon Moss.Am I surprised it turned into another Willo v People Clattenburg thread, not at all but I like to think I am in the right by not getting involved in that on this particular thread. You've thrown numerous personal accusations around just on this thread at both me and Willo one of those being that in your opinion I have a grudge.Well if its "cards on the table" time in my opinion you have let the Hol Poster of the Year feed your ego a little too much.But like this whole thread its all about personal interpretation of whats put in front of you and no-one is ever right all of the time.