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bilbo 14 Nov 15 4.51pm | |
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Quote Willo at 14 Nov 2015 4.44pm
My wife and I were deeply saddened last night when we returned from a lovely night out with our daughter and her husband to discover the horrific news.My wife before going to bed just said "I'm thinking about those poor families". Absolutely terrible and our thoughts and prayers go out to all the family and friends of those who lost their lives at the hands of barberic butchers. A very dignified response by all accounts.
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gambler Kent 14 Nov 15 4.52pm | |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Nov 2015 4.30pm
Jeez, so many c*nts.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Nov 15 4.52pm | |
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Quote elgrande at 14 Nov 2015 4.47pm
It has now been revealed that the one cnut found dead near the stadium,with the Syrian passport belonged to someone who had entered the EU through Greece in early october. Surprise f***ing surprise.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Nov 15 4.53pm | |
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I'm extremely pleased people are expressing that sentiment. It's just a shame that there are so many of your sort still blaming western foreign policy.
Well more specifically you, as I'd bet a grand you've alluded to the fact on here at some point.
Previously those remarks would have been made in response to attacks from preceding groups such as Al Queda who the west sought to take action against. Are you saying that sort of mentality made from the perspective of western liberals with little consideration for peace is appropriate or helpful when moderate Muslims are dismissing such notions to focus on the fact that they themselves condemn the acts and dismiss such justifications? Edited by johnfirewall (14 Nov 2015 4.49pm)
Whilst the intention of military interventions may have been to rid these countries of despots, it has backfired badly. Obviously the rise of ISIS was not foreseen, however, it is still the result of Western actions Edited by nickgusset (14 Nov 2015 4.55pm)
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Nov 15 4.56pm | |
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I'm extremely pleased people are expressing that sentiment. It's just a shame that there are so many of your sort still blaming western foreign policy.
Well more specifically you, as I'd bet a grand you've alluded to the fact on here at some point.
Previously those remarks would have been made in response to attacks from preceding groups such as Al Queda who the west sought to take action against. Are you saying that sort of mentality made from the perspective of western liberals with little consideration for peace is appropriate or helpful when moderate Muslims are dismissing such notions to focus on the fact that they themselves condemn the acts and dismiss such justifications? Edited by johnfirewall (14 Nov 2015 4.49pm)
Whilst the intentions of military interventions may have been to rid these countries of despots, it has backfired badly.
"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit |
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Nov 15 4.56pm | |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Nov 2015 4.30pm
Jeez, so many c*nts.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Nov 15 5.01pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Nov 2015 4.53pm
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I'm extremely pleased people are expressing that sentiment. It's just a shame that there are so many of your sort still blaming western foreign policy.
Well more specifically you, as I'd bet a grand you've alluded to the fact on here at some point.
Previously those remarks would have been made in response to attacks from preceding groups such as Al Queda who the west sought to take action against. Are you saying that sort of mentality made from the perspective of western liberals with little consideration for peace is appropriate or helpful when moderate Muslims are dismissing such notions to focus on the fact that they themselves condemn the acts and dismiss such justifications? Edited by johnfirewall (14 Nov 2015 4.49pm)
Whilst the intention of military interventions may have been to rid these countries of despots, it has backfired badly. Obviously the rise of ISIS was not foreseen, however, it is still the result of Western actions Edited by nickgusset (14 Nov 2015 4.55pm) You seem to be suffering from something akin to Stockholm syndrome. Strange fellow.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Nov 2015 5.04pm)
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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 14 Nov 15 5.14pm | |
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I'm extremely pleased people are expressing that sentiment. It's just a shame that there are so many of your sort still blaming western foreign policy.
Well more specifically you, as I'd bet a grand you've alluded to the fact on here at some point.
Previously those remarks would have been made in response to attacks from preceding groups such as Al Queda who the west sought to take action against. Are you saying that sort of mentality made from the perspective of western liberals with little consideration for peace is appropriate or helpful when moderate Muslims are dismissing such notions to focus on the fact that they themselves condemn the acts and dismiss such justifications? Edited by johnfirewall (14 Nov 2015 4.49pm)
Whilst the intention of military interventions may have been to rid these countries of despots, it has backfired badly. Obviously the rise of ISIS was not foreseen, however, it is still the result of Western actions Edited by nickgusset (14 Nov 2015 4.55pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Nov 15 5.16pm | |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 14 Nov 2015 5.01pm
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I'm extremely pleased people are expressing that sentiment. It's just a shame that there are so many of your sort still blaming western foreign policy.
Well more specifically you, as I'd bet a grand you've alluded to the fact on here at some point.
Previously those remarks would have been made in response to attacks from preceding groups such as Al Queda who the west sought to take action against. Are you saying that sort of mentality made from the perspective of western liberals with little consideration for peace is appropriate or helpful when moderate Muslims are dismissing such notions to focus on the fact that they themselves condemn the acts and dismiss such justifications? Edited by johnfirewall (14 Nov 2015 4.49pm)
Whilst the intention of military interventions may have been to rid these countries of despots, it has backfired badly. Obviously the rise of ISIS was not foreseen, however, it is still the result of Western actions Edited by nickgusset (14 Nov 2015 4.55pm) You seem to be suffering from something akin to Stockholm syndrome. Strange fellow.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Nov 2015 5.04pm) Absolutely not. What happened is abhorrent. I'm also not saying they should have any moral high ground. Also if you read the thread, the issue of Western intervention was brought up by someone else. I'm responding to that. Edited by nickgusset (14 Nov 2015 5.18pm)
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lancseagle burnley 14 Nov 15 5.24pm | |
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I'd never heard of ISIS pre saddam, gaddafi never been a truer saying of the better the devil you know.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Nov 15 5.38pm | |
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An excellent post on Facebook earlier...
But it's much worse than that. The aim of jihadis is to shock Muslims in order to—as they see it—wake them up and get them to join their struggle. Bin Laden was explicit about it. One tactic to do that is to provoke an over-reaction from the West—and the West has been willing to oblige. Invading and occupying Iraq is the most obvious example, which led directly to the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq in 2007. But terrorist attacks also provoke increased government surveillance on all of us, the targeting of Muslim communities and social division. The jihadis' great allies are the politicians and journalists who shut down any attempt to understand this. The airwaves are full today of facile people saying that what happened in Paris is an attack on Western freedom and culture, so there's no point in thinking any more deeply about it. But on Thursday ISIS killed 43 people in Beirut with two suicide bombs—because they hate Arab culture? I expect we'll carry on acting out the cycle that has worked so successfully for the jihadis since 2001. But personally, out of a sense of self-interest, I'd prefer it if we tried something different. Like: tackling the problem of Saudi Arabia, where the jihadi ideology comes from, and which prefers ISIS and the other jihadi groups to succeed if it means Shia Muslims can't live. Like: withdrawing support from Turkey while its intelligence agencies help the Nusra Front and turn a blind eye to ISIS, all because it hates the Kurds more than the jihadis and bombs them with NATO's blessing. Like: trying to refrain from destroying countries like Iraq and Libya, both now overrun by jihadis. Like: actually attempting to end the war in Syria, which is complicated and difficult, but Britain could help by at least not blocking negotiations as it did in the Geneva I and II peace conferences in 2012 and 2014, where British, French and American policy was to ensure the war continued by insisting that Assad stand down as a precondition to talks (why would he, when he hadn't lost the war?) and excluding Iran. Like: helping refugees who are fleeing from horror, mostly because we should obviously help people in need but also because it's not wise to have millions of people languishing in squalid camps building up resentment. The British, French and American governments thought for a few years that it was in their strategic interests for the Syrian war to go on, weakening Syria's ally Iran and knocking out an enemy of Israel. But it wasn't in the interests of us, the people, and certainly not of the thousands of Syrians who have died as a result. I know people's first impulse when a terrorist attack happens is to want to hit back in a direct way, to punish the people who did it and deter others. But that impulse has been tested to destruction since 2001. Jihadis bank on it, it's a central part of their strategy. I don't know why we always go along with it. It'd be better to do things that might work instead.
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JL85 London,SE9 14 Nov 15 5.46pm | |
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Quote lancseagle at 14 Nov 2015 5.24pm
I'd never heard of ISIS pre saddam, gaddafi never been a truer saying of the better the devil you know.
Same mob, different flag.
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