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imbored UK 23 Apr 15 8.35pm
Quote TUX at 23 Apr 2015 8.28pm Quote imbored at 23 Apr 2015 8.19pm Quote pefwin at 23 Apr 2015 7.42pm At least this is now boiling down to why most people vote UKIP. UKippers believe people are innately racist, and hence migrate to one's own. HOWEVER, not only are they racist but classist, religious bigots, misogynists, and protectionists, as they tend to their own culture in all things. I really don't understand the issue when a young Latvian says they are going home, for most, going home is where their parents live, the house they grew up in. Obviously not for some British. I am going to enjoy voting with these people. We live in a time where the major parties trotting out the same lines lead to people looking to cast a vote elsewhere. People vote for a party for numerous reasons though. The political landscape is very fluid at the moment and regardless of our likes of dislikes of the parties involved, that's probably not a bad thing. Other than the fact we'll end up with the same thing. It feels like a step in the right direction but I agree. The voting system isn't representative enough and anyway unless you're rich or powerful your vote has much less say than you'd like to believe. Better to concentrate on adapting as a person and helping others regardless of what variations, political or otherwise, life throws up. That's the vote that counts. Edited by imbored (23 Apr 2015 8.40pm)
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At least this is now boiling down to why most people vote UKIP.

UKippers believe people are innately racist, and hence migrate to one's own. HOWEVER, not only are they racist but classist, religious bigots, misogynists, and protectionists, as they tend to their own culture in all things.

I really don't understand the issue when a young Latvian says they are going home, for most, going home is where their parents live, the house they grew up in. Obviously not for some British.

I am going to enjoy voting with these people.

We live in a time where the major parties trotting out the same lines lead to people looking to cast a vote elsewhere. People vote for a party for numerous reasons though. The political landscape is very fluid at the moment and regardless of our likes of dislikes of the parties involved, that's probably not a bad thing.

Other than the fact we'll end up with the same thing.

It feels like a step in the right direction but I agree. The voting system isn't representative enough and anyway unless you're rich or powerful your vote has much less say than you'd like to believe. Better to concentrate on adapting as a person and helping others regardless of what variations, political or otherwise, life throws up. That's the vote that counts.

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TheJudge 23 Apr 15 8.36pm
Quote pefwin at 23 Apr 2015 8.01pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 23 Apr 2015 7.53pm Quote pefwin at 23 Apr 2015 7.42pm At least this is now boiling down to why most people vote UKIP. UKippers believe people are innately racist, and hence migrate to one's own. HOWEVER, not only are they racist but classist, religious bigots, misogynists, and protectionists, as they tend to their own culture in all things. I really don't understand the issue when a young Latvian says they are going home, for most, going home is where their parents live, the house they grew up in. Obviously not for some British. I am going to enjoy voting with these people. Wow! is this what you really believe? We also have big cocks as well, please make sure you add that to your list I'll put it on the NSC. The only problem is it is where your head should be. As stated often in many threads Ukippers prefer their own. That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.
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At least this is now boiling down to why most people vote UKIP.

I really don't understand the issue when a young Latvian says they are going home, for most, going home is where their parents live, the house they grew up in. Obviously not for some British.

I am going to enjoy voting with these people.

Wow! is this what you really believe?
We also have big cocks as well, please make sure you add that to your list

I'll put it on the NSC. The only problem is it is where your head should be.

As stated often in many threads Ukippers prefer their own.

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.

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TUX redhill 23 Apr 15 9.00pm
Quote imbored at 23 Apr 2015 8.35pm Quote TUX at 23 Apr 2015 8.28pm Quote imbored at 23 Apr 2015 8.19pm Quote pefwin at 23 Apr 2015 7.42pm At least this is now boiling down to why most people vote UKIP. UKippers believe people are innately racist, and hence migrate to one's own. HOWEVER, not only are they racist but classist, religious bigots, misogynists, and protectionists, as they tend to their own culture in all things. I really don't understand the issue when a young Latvian says they are going home, for most, going home is where their parents live, the house they grew up in. Obviously not for some British. I am going to enjoy voting with these people. We live in a time where the major parties trotting out the same lines lead to people looking to cast a vote elsewhere. People vote for a party for numerous reasons though. The political landscape is very fluid at the moment and regardless of our likes of dislikes of the parties involved, that's probably not a bad thing. Other than the fact we'll end up with the same thing. It feels like a step in the right direction but I agree. The voting system isn't representative enough and anyway unless you're rich or powerful your vote has much less say than you'd like to believe. Better to concentrate on adapting as a person and helping others regardless of what variations, political or otherwise, life throws up. That's the vote that counts. Edited by imbored (23 Apr 2015 8.40pm) Amen
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At least this is now boiling down to why most people vote UKIP.

I really don't understand the issue when a young Latvian says they are going home, for most, going home is where their parents live, the house they grew up in. Obviously not for some British.

I am going to enjoy voting with these people.

Other than the fact we'll end up with the same thing.

It feels like a step in the right direction but I agree. The voting system isn't representative enough and anyway unless you're rich or powerful your vote has much less say than you'd like to believe. Better to concentrate on adapting as a person and helping others regardless of what variations, political or otherwise, life throws up. That's the vote that counts.

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legaleagle 23 Apr 15 9.38pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 6.02pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Apr 2015 9.09pm Ah, if we are playing Neighbour Top Trumps........the number of people who are truly bothered by living amongst other cultures is relatively low compared to those that aren't. See London for millions of examples. Mmmm....You're not really thinking about it Kermy. I said, those with the financial means tend to move out of multicultural areas and into areas filled with people similar to them culturally. There is statistical evidence for it if you're ideological enough to doubt majority human nature. London is definitely diverse now.....Far more so than the London I grew up in.....And I grew up in Stockwell as a minority myself. A lot of that 'diversity' came to London to make money...Not for a love of multiculturalism. Many of them go back. One of my old Latvian students (who I keep contact with on FB) has just gone 'home' herself (her word)......Most natural thing in the world. I'm surprised that this observation would be countered to be honest. My old man moved the family out to Wisbech after my Mum was mugged and I'd been attacked. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2015 6.10pm) As of the 2011 census 86.2 % of people living there were born in the Uk...I appreciate you grew up there well before then,but seems unlikely the figure would have been under 50%.So it might depend on how you define yourself in terms of having been a "minority" and what particularly distinguished "the others" in Stockwell from this in your view..
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Ah, if we are playing Neighbour Top Trumps........the number of people who are truly bothered by living amongst other cultures is relatively low compared to those that aren't.

See London for millions of examples.

Mmmm....You're not really thinking about it Kermy.

I said, those with the financial means tend to move out of multicultural areas and into areas filled with people similar to them culturally.

There is statistical evidence for it if you're ideological enough to doubt majority human nature.

London is definitely diverse now.....Far more so than the London I grew up in.....And I grew up in Stockwell as a minority myself.

A lot of that 'diversity' came to London to make money...Not for a love of multiculturalism. Many of them go back. One of my old Latvian students (who I keep contact with on FB) has just gone 'home' herself (her word)......Most natural thing in the world.

I'm surprised that this observation would be countered to be honest.

My old man moved the family out to Wisbech after my Mum was mugged and I'd been attacked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2015 6.10pm)

As of the 2011 census 86.2 % of people living there were born in the Uk...I appreciate you grew up there well before then,but seems unlikely the figure would have been under 50%.So it might depend on how you define yourself in terms of having been a "minority" and what particularly distinguished "the others" in Stockwell from this in your view..

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legaleagle 23 Apr 15 9.45pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 5.49pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.58pm Quote pefwin at 22 Apr 2015 8.30pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.19pm Quote legaleagle at 21 Apr 2015 10.20pm Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Apr 2015 7.38pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't. The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them. What's your factual evidence for all this? Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm) He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion. You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round. You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right. Why? it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people. Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas. The issue with some midland and northern cities is that very poor unskilled labour was bought in to supply the mills etc., which no longer exist. No effort was put in to educating the first generation of immigrants, or subsequent generations and these families have no way of getting out of these sink holes and hence back-lash against the perceived norm etc. Read what was written ffs. My 'agreed' was in response to MANY cultures seemingly not wanting to mix! It has nothing to do with my ethnicity or where I bloody live but everything to do with my observations. Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one. Wealthy people don't tend to live in multicultural areas. Even the wealthy in London, live in pretty exclusive areas by cost and the people they knock around with tend to be culturally similar to them. I don't think that's the case if you look at the richest parts of town,take Kensington/Knightsbridge, Hampstead,St John's Wood as examples.Rich people frequently mix with and live near other rich people,regardless of "cultural background"..And there are very many rich people from overseas living in London in such areas as well as very many UK born people.. May depend precisely what you mean by "multicultural areas" and what you mean by "culture",ie if you mean areas where lots of people with little money live and such areas contain lots of people from differing cultures...as other posters have commented,the relevant link might be that between dosh and make up of population in a particular area and desire to move if possible to a "richer" area. Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.48pm)
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There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible.
I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity.
I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time.
Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen.
I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace.
I am incredibly grateful

Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be.

The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't.

The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them.

What's your factual evidence for all this?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm)

He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion.

You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round.
You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right.
Why?

it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people.

Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas.

The issue with some midland and northern cities is that very poor unskilled labour was bought in to supply the mills etc., which no longer exist. No effort was put in to educating the first generation of immigrants, or subsequent generations and these families have no way of getting out of these sink holes and hence back-lash against the perceived norm etc.

Read what was written ffs.
My 'agreed' was in response to MANY cultures seemingly not wanting to mix! It has nothing to do with my ethnicity or where I bloody live but everything to do with my observations.

Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one.

Wealthy people don't tend to live in multicultural areas. Even the wealthy in London, live in pretty exclusive areas by cost and the people they knock around with tend to be culturally similar to them.

I don't think that's the case if you look at the richest parts of town,take Kensington/Knightsbridge, Hampstead,St John's Wood as examples.Rich people frequently mix with and live near other rich people,regardless of "cultural background"..And there are very many rich people from overseas living in London in such areas as well as very many UK born people..

May depend precisely what you mean by "multicultural areas" and what you mean by "culture",ie if you mean areas where lots of people with little money live and such areas contain lots of people from differing cultures...as other posters have commented,the relevant link might be that between dosh and make up of population in a particular area and desire to move if possible to a "richer" area.

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TheJudge 23 Apr 15 9.53pm
Quote legaleagle at 23 Apr 2015 9.45pm Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 5.49pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.58pm Quote pefwin at 22 Apr 2015 8.30pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.19pm Quote legaleagle at 21 Apr 2015 10.20pm Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Apr 2015 7.38pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't. The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them. What's your factual evidence for all this? Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm) He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion. You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round. You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right. Why? it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people. Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas. The issue with some midland and northern cities is that very poor unskilled labour was bought in to supply the mills etc., which no longer exist. No effort was put in to educating the first generation of immigrants, or subsequent generations and these families have no way of getting out of these sink holes and hence back-lash against the perceived norm etc. Read what was written ffs. My 'agreed' was in response to MANY cultures seemingly not wanting to mix! It has nothing to do with my ethnicity or where I bloody live but everything to do with my observations. Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one. Wealthy people don't tend to live in multicultural areas. Even the wealthy in London, live in pretty exclusive areas by cost and the people they knock around with tend to be culturally similar to them. I don't think that's the case if you look at the richest parts of town,take Kensington/Knightsbridge, Hampstead,St John's Wood as examples.Rich people frequently mix with and live near other rich people,regardless of "cultural background"..And there are very many rich people from overseas living in London in such areas as well as very many UK born people.. May depend precisely what you mean by "multicultural areas" ,ie if you mean areas where lots of people with little money live and such areas contain lots of people from differing cultures...as other posters have commented,the relevant link might be that between dosh and make up of population in a particular area and desire to move if possible to a "richer" area. Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.47pm) There is no doubt that people of a higher socioeconomic level do not adhere so much to the type of social grouping that you see among the poorer class in society. However if you look at the population map of Britain, there is no doubt that it has become divided down racial/religious lines.
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The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't.

The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them.

What's your factual evidence for all this?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm)

He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion.

You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round.
You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right.
Why?

it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people.

Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas.

Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one.

May depend precisely what you mean by "multicultural areas" ,ie if you mean areas where lots of people with little money live and such areas contain lots of people from differing cultures...as other posters have commented,the relevant link might be that between dosh and make up of population in a particular area and desire to move if possible to a "richer" area.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.47pm)

There is no doubt that people of a higher socioeconomic level do not adhere so much to the type of social grouping that you see among the poorer class in society. However if you look at the population map of Britain, there is no doubt that it has become divided down racial/religious lines.

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legaleagle 23 Apr 15 10.05pm
Can you give us a link to the map?
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Can you give us a link to the map?

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 23 Apr 15 10.06pm
Quote legaleagle at 23 Apr 2015 9.38pm Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 6.02pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Apr 2015 9.09pm Ah, if we are playing Neighbour Top Trumps........the number of people who are truly bothered by living amongst other cultures is relatively low compared to those that aren't. See London for millions of examples. Mmmm....You're not really thinking about it Kermy. I said, those with the financial means tend to move out of multicultural areas and into areas filled with people similar to them culturally. There is statistical evidence for it if you're ideological enough to doubt majority human nature. London is definitely diverse now.....Far more so than the London I grew up in.....And I grew up in Stockwell as a minority myself. A lot of that 'diversity' came to London to make money...Not for a love of multiculturalism. Many of them go back. One of my old Latvian students (who I keep contact with on FB) has just gone 'home' herself (her word)......Most natural thing in the world. I'm surprised that this observation would be countered to be honest. My old man moved the family out to Wisbech after my Mum was mugged and I'd been attacked. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2015 6.10pm) As of the 2011 census 86.2 % of people living there were born in the Uk...I appreciate you grew up there well before then,but seems unlikely the figure would have been under 50%.So it might depend on how you define yourself in terms of having been a "minority" and what particularly distinguished "the others" in Stockwell from this in your view.. In the 70s Stockwell was a rough area; lots of estates, plenty of muggings, gang fights, Chelsea fans with all the racist overtones that the era involved. Predominantly British, white and working class, but nearby big Georgian/Victorian houses with relatively well off people. Now these polarisations are even greater, with the poor British being substituted by poor people from other ethnic groups, and the big houses worth millions. It's not really changed, even since Victorian times. Poor people alongside rich; the relatively poor indigenous population have moved away, to be replaced by poor immigrants. That's always been the way in London. I don't know much about Wisbech, Stirling, but London has always been a melting pot, and so much the better for it. I used to be immortal
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Ah, if we are playing Neighbour Top Trumps........the number of people who are truly bothered by living amongst other cultures is relatively low compared to those that aren't.

See London for millions of examples.

Mmmm....You're not really thinking about it Kermy.

I said, those with the financial means tend to move out of multicultural areas and into areas filled with people similar to them culturally.

There is statistical evidence for it if you're ideological enough to doubt majority human nature.

London is definitely diverse now.....Far more so than the London I grew up in.....And I grew up in Stockwell as a minority myself.

I'm surprised that this observation would be countered to be honest.

My old man moved the family out to Wisbech after my Mum was mugged and I'd been attacked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2015 6.10pm)

In the 70s Stockwell was a rough area; lots of estates, plenty of muggings, gang fights, Chelsea fans with all the racist overtones that the era involved. Predominantly British, white and working class, but nearby big Georgian/Victorian houses with relatively well off people.

Now these polarisations are even greater, with the poor British being substituted by poor people from other ethnic groups, and the big houses worth millions.

It's not really changed, even since Victorian times. Poor people alongside rich; the relatively poor indigenous population have moved away, to be replaced by poor immigrants. That's always been the way in London.

I don't know much about Wisbech, Stirling, but London has always been a melting pot, and so much the better for it.

I used to be immortal

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 23 Apr 15 10.11pm
Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 9.53pm Quote legaleagle at 23 Apr 2015 9.45pm Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 5.49pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.58pm Quote pefwin at 22 Apr 2015 8.30pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.19pm Quote legaleagle at 21 Apr 2015 10.20pm Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Apr 2015 7.38pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't. The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them. What's your factual evidence for all this? Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm) He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion. You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round. You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right. Why? it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people. Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas. The issue with some midland and northern cities is that very poor unskilled labour was bought in to supply the mills etc., which no longer exist. No effort was put in to educating the first generation of immigrants, or subsequent generations and these families have no way of getting out of these sink holes and hence back-lash against the perceived norm etc. Read what was written ffs. My 'agreed' was in response to MANY cultures seemingly not wanting to mix! It has nothing to do with my ethnicity or where I bloody live but everything to do with my observations. Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one. Wealthy people don't tend to live in multicultural areas. Even the wealthy in London, live in pretty exclusive areas by cost and the people they knock around with tend to be culturally similar to them. I don't think that's the case if you look at the richest parts of town,take Kensington/Knightsbridge, Hampstead,St John's Wood as examples.Rich people frequently mix with and live near other rich people,regardless of "cultural background"..And there are very many rich people from overseas living in London in such areas as well as very many UK born people.. May depend precisely what you mean by "multicultural areas" ,ie if you mean areas where lots of people with little money live and such areas contain lots of people from differing cultures...as other posters have commented,the relevant link might be that between dosh and make up of population in a particular area and desire to move if possible to a "richer" area. Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.47pm) There is no doubt that people of a higher socioeconomic level do not adhere so much to the type of social grouping that you see among the poorer class in society. However if you look at the population map of Britain, there is no doubt that it has become divided down racial/religious lines. That's clearly not true; as has always been the case, the population is divided on economic lines; someone who can afford a bigger house lives there, whatever their racial or religious background. I used to be immortal
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The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't.

The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them.

What's your factual evidence for all this?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm)

He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion.

You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round.
You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right.
Why?

it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people.

Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas.

Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.47pm)

That's clearly not true; as has always been the case, the population is divided on economic lines; someone who can afford a bigger house lives there, whatever their racial or religious background.

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Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed. Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim? "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 8.36pm

That is just trolling nonsense. Just as about every one prefers to be around people like themselves as you now full well. That is why Britain is becoming divided. Look at the States and how that has developed.

Do they? Have you asked everyone? Where's the polling or survey evidence to back up this claim?

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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Quote legaleagle at 23 Apr 2015 9.38pm Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 6.02pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Apr 2015 9.09pm Ah, if we are playing Neighbour Top Trumps........the number of people who are truly bothered by living amongst other cultures is relatively low compared to those that aren't. See London for millions of examples. Mmmm....You're not really thinking about it Kermy. I said, those with the financial means tend to move out of multicultural areas and into areas filled with people similar to them culturally. There is statistical evidence for it if you're ideological enough to doubt majority human nature. London is definitely diverse now.....Far more so than the London I grew up in.....And I grew up in Stockwell as a minority myself. A lot of that 'diversity' came to London to make money...Not for a love of multiculturalism. Many of them go back. One of my old Latvian students (who I keep contact with on FB) has just gone 'home' herself (her word)......Most natural thing in the world. I'm surprised that this observation would be countered to be honest. My old man moved the family out to Wisbech after my Mum was mugged and I'd been attacked. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2015 6.10pm) As of the 2011 census 86.2 % of people living there were born in the Uk...I appreciate you grew up there well before then,but seems unlikely the figure would have been under 50%.So it might depend on how you define yourself in terms of having been a "minority" and what particularly distinguished "the others" in Stockwell from this in your view.. I left Stockwell as a seventeen year old back in 86. We left just around the time that yuppies started looking at the very cheap but good housing stock around some of the 'quieter' streets...A reasonable amount of time after the riots...But I couldn't really tell you what Stockwell was like now. What I can tell you was that back when our family moved into Stockwell Park Estate we were very much a minority. For this case I'll define minority as a British family whose cultural ties and allegiance was actually to Britain.......That definitely put us in the minority there......You obviously don't know a lot about the Stockwell of the time.....I would have liked you to have walked down 'Electric Avenue' with your egalitarian attitudes in your formative years. My old man worked his nuts off getting us out of that hell-hole. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Ah, if we are playing Neighbour Top Trumps........the number of people who are truly bothered by living amongst other cultures is relatively low compared to those that aren't.

See London for millions of examples.

Mmmm....You're not really thinking about it Kermy.

I said, those with the financial means tend to move out of multicultural areas and into areas filled with people similar to them culturally.

There is statistical evidence for it if you're ideological enough to doubt majority human nature.

London is definitely diverse now.....Far more so than the London I grew up in.....And I grew up in Stockwell as a minority myself.

I'm surprised that this observation would be countered to be honest.

My old man moved the family out to Wisbech after my Mum was mugged and I'd been attacked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2015 6.10pm)

I left Stockwell as a seventeen year old back in 86. We left just around the time that yuppies started looking at the very cheap but good housing stock around some of the 'quieter' streets...A reasonable amount of time after the riots...But I couldn't really tell you what Stockwell was like now.

What I can tell you was that back when our family moved into Stockwell Park Estate we were very much a minority. For this case I'll define minority as a British family whose cultural ties and allegiance was actually to Britain.......That definitely put us in the minority there......You obviously don't know a lot about the Stockwell of the time.....I would have liked you to have walked down 'Electric Avenue' with your egalitarian attitudes in your formative years.

My old man worked his nuts off getting us out of that hell-hole.

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Quote crystal balls at 23 Apr 2015 10.11pm Quote TheJudge at 23 Apr 2015 9.53pm Quote legaleagle at 23 Apr 2015 9.45pm Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Apr 2015 5.49pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.58pm Quote pefwin at 22 Apr 2015 8.30pm Quote TUX at 22 Apr 2015 8.19pm Quote legaleagle at 21 Apr 2015 10.20pm Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Apr 2015 7.38pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't. The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them. What's your factual evidence for all this? Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm) He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion. You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round. You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right. Why? it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people. Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas. The issue with some midland and northern cities is that very poor unskilled labour was bought in to supply the mills etc., which no longer exist. No effort was put in to educating the first generation of immigrants, or subsequent generations and these families have no way of getting out of these sink holes and hence back-lash against the perceived norm etc. Read what was written ffs. My 'agreed' was in response to MANY cultures seemingly not wanting to mix! It has nothing to do with my ethnicity or where I bloody live but everything to do with my observations. Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one. Wealthy people don't tend to live in multicultural areas. Even the wealthy in London, live in pretty exclusive areas by cost and the people they knock around with tend to be culturally similar to them. I don't think that's the case if you look at the richest parts of town,take Kensington/Knightsbridge, Hampstead,St John's Wood as examples.Rich people frequently mix with and live near other rich people,regardless of "cultural background"..And there are very many rich people from overseas living in London in such areas as well as very many UK born people.. May depend precisely what you mean by "multicultural areas" ,ie if you mean areas where lots of people with little money live and such areas contain lots of people from differing cultures...as other posters have commented,the relevant link might be that between dosh and make up of population in a particular area and desire to move if possible to a "richer" area. Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.47pm) There is no doubt that people of a higher socioeconomic level do not adhere so much to the type of social grouping that you see among the poorer class in society. However if you look at the population map of Britain, there is no doubt that it has become divided down racial/religious lines. That's clearly not true; as has always been the case, the population is divided on economic lines; someone who can afford a bigger house lives there, whatever their racial or religious background. I just said that economics plays a part, but if you can't see that ethnic groups don't coalesce in certain areas then you clearly don't get out much. Look at the recently released statistical maps.
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The number of people who actually 'want' to live amongst diverse cultures is relatively low compared to those who don't.

The majority of those who have the financial muscle tend to live amongst people who share common cultural heritage with them.

What's your factual evidence for all this?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Apr 2015 10.24pm)

He lives it. He see's it. Just as we all do regardless of our colour/race/religion.

You appear to rely on 'polls/meaningless statistics' above 'human experience' for some reason? Wrong way round.
You want him to be wrong when you really know he's right.
Why?

it is at the most hearsay, a bit like your response "agreed" purely means that you personally don't want to live near black, brown, yellow, or green skinned people.

Statistically, you would actually find, for example, Asian, for example, as they move up the social strata moving to more affluent areas.

Yup, it's not a racial thing as such but far more of a cultural one.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Apr 2015 9.47pm)

That's clearly not true; as has always been the case, the population is divided on economic lines; someone who can afford a bigger house lives there, whatever their racial or religious background.

I just said that economics plays a part, but if you can't see that ethnic groups don't coalesce in certain areas then you clearly don't get out much. Look at the recently released statistical maps.

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