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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.04pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.42pm Why did George Osbourne wait until after the HSBC story broke to raise 5.3billion on taxes (according to you). Did he willfully ignore that they weren't paying tax before they were caught out or did he have no idea there was a 5.3 billion black whole in the accounts? In actual fact the latest move by Osborne is NOT the first and only such move he has made which affects the banking sector. I believe there have been EIGHT such measures taken since the Government came to power but the latest is by far the largest. Actually there have been a number of changes to the banking tax regimes over the last 5 years so the latest announcement is not the first.Osborne has said that as banks have become more profitable it is only right they contribute more to the public finances. Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.07pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.04pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.42pm

Why did George Osbourne wait until after the HSBC story broke to raise 5.3billion on taxes (according to you). Did he willfully ignore that they weren't paying tax before they were caught out or did he have no idea there was a 5.3 billion black whole in the accounts?

In actual fact the latest move by Osborne is NOT the first and only such move he has made which affects the banking sector. I believe there have been EIGHT such measures taken since the Government came to power but the latest is by far the largest. Actually there have been a number of changes to the banking tax regimes over the last 5 years so the latest announcement is not the first.Osborne has said that as banks have become more profitable it is only right they contribute more to the public finances.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 31 Mar 15 3.12pm
Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. People invest so much emotion, mostly anger, brainwashing themselves into pushed and contrived black and white political narratives. Those accruing and most influence and wealth within society already have the ear of the majority of politicians, so hold a more realistic and functional view of the theatre we're all presented with. They can then use this to their advantage while the man on the street casts his vote and imagines he's 'done his bit, done his duty'. Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm) Have to agree. It tends to be some of us older ones that still think in terms of clear cut left & right. There are still some fundamental differences though not like the good ol' days but one thing unites them all. They would sell their first born if it meant that they'd get in for 5 yrs. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 31 Mar 15 3.12pm

Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

People invest so much emotion, mostly anger, brainwashing themselves into pushed and contrived black and white political narratives. Those accruing and most influence and wealth within society already have the ear of the majority of politicians, so hold a more realistic and functional view of the theatre we're all presented with. They can then use this to their advantage while the man on the street casts his vote and imagines he's 'done his bit, done his duty'.

Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm)

Have to agree. It tends to be some of us older ones that still think in terms of clear cut left & right.

There are still some fundamental differences though not like the good ol' days but one thing unites them all. They would sell their first born if it meant that they'd get in for 5 yrs.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 3.12pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.04pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.42pm Why did George Osbourne wait until after the HSBC story broke to raise 5.3billion on taxes (according to you). Did he willfully ignore that they weren't paying tax before they were caught out or did he have no idea there was a 5.3 billion black whole in the accounts? In actual fact the latest move by Osborne is NOT the first and only such move he has made which affects the banking sector. I believe there have been EIGHT such measures taken since the Government came to power but the latest is by far the largest. Actually there have been a number of changes to the banking tax regimes over the last 5 years so the latest announcement is not the first.Osborne has said that as banks have become more profitable it is only right they contribute more to the public finances. Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.07pm) Ok would you like to answer the question as to why this levy was only put in place after HSBC were caught out and whether Osbourne ignored that he could have raised this from the banks or just didn't know? Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 3.14pm)
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EricYoung'sSweatBand

31 Mar 15 3.12pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.04pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.42pm

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.07pm)

Ok would you like to answer the question as to why this levy was only put in place after HSBC were caught out and whether Osbourne ignored that he could have raised this from the banks or just didn't know?

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dannyb1 Chichester 31 Mar 15 3.13pm
Well I put myself back on the electrol register today after a lengthy lay off, I don't know if I will be off to the polls to strike a vote. Neither labour (who I have been siding with as long as my vote counted) nor conservative (who I would never vote for) are getting my vote, at a push the greens might but apart from 1 issue that stands out for me then not much of there manifesto ideas strike a chord with me. There is a single issue party CISTA (cannabis is safer then alcohol) which would get my vote if they had a contender in my constituency more for the fact that I believe in this issue and it should be considered but neither of the 2 main party's have said anything nor denied looking at reform, the libs have said something about non criminalization for possession and to be treated as a health issue rather then criminal but the libs are a wasted vote.
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dannyb1

Chichester 31 Mar 15 3.13pm

Well I put myself back on the electrol register today after a lengthy lay off, I don't know if I will be off to the polls to strike a vote.

Neither labour (who I have been siding with as long as my vote counted) nor conservative (who I would never vote for) are getting my vote, at a push the greens might but apart from 1 issue that stands out for me then not much of there manifesto ideas strike a chord with me.

There is a single issue party CISTA (cannabis is safer then alcohol) which would get my vote if they had a contender in my constituency more for the fact that I believe in this issue and it should be considered but neither of the 2 main party's have said anything nor denied looking at reform, the libs have said something about non criminalization for possession and to be treated as a health issue rather then criminal but the libs are a wasted vote.

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 3.17pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. People invest so much emotion, mostly anger, brainwashing themselves into pushed and contrived black and white political narratives. Those accruing and most influence and wealth within society already have the ear of the majority of politicians, so hold a more realistic and functional view of the theatre we're all presented with. They can then use this to their advantage while the man on the street casts his vote and imagines he's 'done his bit, done his duty'. Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm) Have to agree. It tends to be some of us older ones that still think in terms of clear cut left & right. There are still some fundamental differences though not like the good ol' days but one thing unites them all. They would sell their first born if it meant that they'd get in for 5 yrs. The common denominator is voter turn out. 78.8% in 1974 and 65% in 2010. It was even worse in 2005 and 2001 [Link]
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EricYoung'sSweatBand

31 Mar 15 3.17pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm

Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm)

Have to agree. It tends to be some of us older ones that still think in terms of clear cut left & right.

There are still some fundamental differences though not like the good ol' days but one thing unites them all. They would sell their first born if it meant that they'd get in for 5 yrs.

The common denominator is voter turn out.

78.8% in 1974 and 65% in 2010. It was even worse in 2005 and 2001

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.28pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm Ok would you like to answer the question as to why this levy was only put in place after HSBC were caught out and whether Osbourne ignored that he could have raised this from the banks or just didn't know? Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities ! Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.28pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm

Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities !

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm)

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 3.33pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.28pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm Ok would you like to answer the question as to why this levy was only put in place after HSBC were caught out and whether Osbourne ignored that he could have raised this from the banks or just didn't know? Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities ! Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm) He did not know that he was due over 5 billion in tax and I'm supposed to believe that he is competent. The cuts could have been 5 billion less severe had he done his job and made sure these loop holes were closed first. I look forward to you answering my other two questions.
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EricYoung'sSweatBand

31 Mar 15 3.33pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.28pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm

Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities !

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm)

He did not know that he was due over 5 billion in tax and I'm supposed to believe that he is competent. The cuts could have been 5 billion less severe had he done his job and made sure these loop holes were closed first.

I look forward to you answering my other two questions.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 3.38pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” To suggest Milliband is left wing is laughable. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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The Sash

Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 3.38pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm

Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

To suggest Milliband is left wing is laughable.

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.38pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.33pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.28pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm Ok would you like to answer the question as to why this levy was only put in place after HSBC were caught out and whether Osbourne ignored that he could have raised this from the banks or just didn't know? Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities ! Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm) He did not know that he was due over 5 billion in tax and I'm supposed to believe that he is competent. The cuts could have been 5 billion less severe had he done his job and made sure these loop holes were closed first. I look forward to you answering my other two questions. Who do you think you are, Jeremy Paxman ? I've already explained that it was a little known loophole in fact it went back to 2009 when Labour were in power.To suggest that Osborne is "Incompetent" in these circumstances is beyond the pale. Don't need to add to this Paxo.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.38pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.33pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.28pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm

Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities !

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm)

I look forward to you answering my other two questions.

Who do you think you are, Jeremy Paxman ?

I've already explained that it was a little known loophole in fact it went back to 2009 when Labour were in power.To suggest that Osborne is "Incompetent" in these circumstances is beyond the pale.
Don't need to add to this Paxo.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.41pm
Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 3.38pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” To suggest Milliband is left wing is laughable. Tell that to Mr Blair who said a few months ago that Ed Miliband had turned Labour into a "Traditional left-wing party". Anyway have to leave this debate for now as I have some more campaign work to do ! See you all later ! Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.41pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 3.41pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 3.38pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm

Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

To suggest Milliband is left wing is laughable.

Tell that to Mr Blair who said a few months ago that Ed Miliband had turned Labour into a "Traditional left-wing party".

Anyway have to leave this debate for now as I have some more campaign work to do ! See you all later !

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.41pm)

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 3.44pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.41pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 3.38pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” To suggest Milliband is left wing is laughable. Tell that to Mr Blair who said a few months ago that Ed Miliband had turned Labour into a "Traditional left-wing party". Anyway have to leave this debate for now as I have some more campaign work to do ! See you all later ! Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.41pm) Yes and Tony has such a track record of telling the truth it must be so. Labour as party isn't even centre-left. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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The Sash

Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 3.44pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.41pm

Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 3.38pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm

Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

To suggest Milliband is left wing is laughable.

Tell that to Mr Blair who said a few months ago that Ed Miliband had turned Labour into a "Traditional left-wing party".

Anyway have to leave this debate for now as I have some more campaign work to do ! See you all later !

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.41pm)

Yes and Tony has such a track record of telling the truth it must be so.

Labour as party isn't even centre-left.

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 3.56pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.38pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.33pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.28pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm Ok would you like to answer the question as to why this levy was only put in place after HSBC were caught out and whether Osbourne ignored that he could have raised this from the banks or just didn't know? Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities ! Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm) He did not know that he was due over 5 billion in tax and I'm supposed to believe that he is competent. The cuts could have been 5 billion less severe had he done his job and made sure these loop holes were closed first. I look forward to you answering my other two questions. Who do you think you are, Jeremy Paxman ? I've already explained that it was a little known loophole in fact it went back to 2009 when Labour were in power.To suggest that Osborne is "Incompetent" in these circumstances is beyond the pale. Don't need to add to this Paxo. So there was a loophole from 2009 and a year later when Osbourne was in charge of the budget, he couldn't even see that a tax loophole was about to cost the country 5 billion. FIVE BILLION. I can understand a couple of million here and there but FIVE BILLION and he still didn't notice the missing money when it was actually gone 4 years later. Did he not do his due diligence or did he have no intention of closing it until caught and chose instead to place punitive measures on the poor? What else could it be? You've become evasive and are calling me Paxman just for wanting some answers that apparently, an hour ago you were happy to give but are no longer happy too. Wrong type of question or is that just like Cameron and Osbourne, you can't actually defend their record either?
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EricYoung'sSweatBand

31 Mar 15 3.56pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.38pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.33pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 3.28pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 3.12pm

Very simply because he acted after revelations revealed a little-known loophole which was being exploited for a few years.Tax regimes of banks are mired in complexities !

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 3.29pm)

I look forward to you answering my other two questions.

Who do you think you are, Jeremy Paxman ?

So there was a loophole from 2009 and a year later when Osbourne was in charge of the budget, he couldn't even see that a tax loophole was about to cost the country 5 billion. FIVE BILLION. I can understand a couple of million here and there but FIVE BILLION and he still didn't notice the missing money when it was actually gone 4 years later.

Did he not do his due diligence or did he have no intention of closing it until caught and chose instead to place punitive measures on the poor? What else could it be?

You've become evasive and are calling me Paxman just for wanting some answers that apparently, an hour ago you were happy to give but are no longer happy too.

Wrong type of question or is that just like Cameron and Osbourne, you can't actually defend their record either?

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