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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Feb 13 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

If anyone walks out of that 'mafia' state with a fistful of dollars/pounds whatever....Then you know that they are corrupt.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, and I think you know it too Chelski.

It's not an attack on Chelsea the football club, it's just a statement of reality on where the money that funds it comes from.

 


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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 12.57pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

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Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation.



And where is your evidence that Abromovich was responsible for this?? Are you referring to the Russian state, all russian people or about him personally??

For information:

Additionally, Abromovich funded various charitable activities in the russian region he was governor for. In the period 2000–2006 the average salaries in Chukotka increased from about US$165 (€117/£100) per month in 2000 to US$826 (€588/£500) per month in 2006.[18][39]

The regional government estimates that, during his tenure, Abramovich directed investments in the range of $2.5 billion to rebuild Chukotka's crumbling housing, schools, hospitals and infrastructure, much of the money coming from his own pocket and through affiliated companies and his two foundations – Pole of Hope and Territoria

Not all bad then!!!!

 

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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 1.00pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 12.56pm

If anyone walks out of that 'mafia' state with a fistful of dollars/pounds whatever....Then you know that they are corrupt.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, and I think you know it too Chelski.

It's not an attack on Chelsea the football club, it's just a statement of reality on where the money that funds it comes from.


In other words, you are guessing!!! You have no evidence of this and he has never been convicted of this. A previous poster actually extolled the virtues of one of your past chairmans business abilities. So because he came from Russia he is immediately a crook?? Or is he a just a good businessman?

Still waiting on the evidence!?!?!?

 

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akiisalegend Flag Croydon 15 Feb 13 1.04pm Send a Private Message to akiisalegend Add akiisalegend as a friend

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Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 9.33am

They cannot afford to waste time on youngsters, that's our job.


Hardly think the HUGE amount of investment that has gone on in our academy is a waste of time.
I think CPFC should be rightly proud of their academy. But I think our academy doesnt get the credit it deserves from other clubs.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the only player to come through your academy in past 10 years thats gone on to be a proven player is JT? Mceachran and Bertrand obviously have the talent to succeed but atm dont think can be classed as a very good product yet. Im not saying chelseas academy isnt good but just saying that the reason it may not get the credit it deserves because lately it hasnt really produced anyone of note?

Also on a note to what you were saying about profit. Doesnt your profit include the winnings from the champions league?
'The figure is a significant improvement on the £67.7 million loss recorded in the 2010-11 season, and while full accounts are yet to be published, the profit reflects the financial upside of the club’s Champions League and FA Cup wins'
Not just the winnings of the champs league will come from that you would probably have made around the £1.4 million profit just on ticket sales of the first leg semi final?
With this not happening this year (granted you may go far or win the europa) surely the profit levels/turnover will go down. Especially now incorporating the huge wages of new players like Hazard. I know youve let some players go to try and make up for it but cant see the outgoing wages/transfer fees of players coming close to the wages/transfer fees of the players that have come in?

Listed academy products earlier, but Jack Cork (Southampton) and Carlton Cole (West Ham). However accepted it could have been better BUT as I stated the players coming through now are beginning to show great promise and in large numbers (check our players on loan)

In terms of profit.Yes in those figures they incluse the Champions League TV money BUT they dont include the massive increase in sales of merchandise and the projected increased revenues from sponsors and companies. Additonally the increased TV revenue will ofset loses from Champions League early exit.


Cant believe i forgot about Cork, seeing as I used to play against him when I was at school!! (he went to Glynn if i remember correctly). How old is carlton cole now, surely he came through nearly 15 years ago?
Ah k, tbh I dont know many of the academy players. Are they actually home grown youngsters or they ones bought in like you did a few years ago like di santo, rajkovic, piazon, kakuta, mitrovic......? Not a dig or anything but just curious? The ones above set you back a few million didnt they? (i know you sold di santo and Rajkovic for quite decent amounts btw) Any on loan in the championship (im probably being thick and not realised them other than Chalobah)

Yeah good shout with the sponsorship/merchandise etc, hadnt taken that into account. Be interested to see how the books balance with the increase in transfer spend/wages and losses of champs league money compared to the money you get in like you say with sponsorship/TV etc.

McEachran (middlesborough), Michael Mancienne (sold to Hamburg)as well. Yes its true, as I have stated earlier, that our academy during the early 2000 era didnt produce top players anywhere near as much as it should. However, any in-depth analysis of our academy products coming through now will indicate that there is an abundance of great english talent. Last season we won the U15 premier league tournament, U16 Premier League Tournament and won the FA Youth Cup with predominately English Players. We have a great deal of players representing England (although to be fair that has not historically been a good indication of success)

Edited by chelski (15 Feb 2013 11.59am)


Knew I was being stupid as i literally had a word with a chelsea fan at work earlier who asked me to tell him how mceachran plays at the weekend! Yeah I havent looked back through all your posts as couldnt be bothered to read all 12 pages of this thread tbh. Its weird how these young tournaments are won by the 'bigger clubs' a lot but not many if any go on to make it. I remember arsenal saying about 5 years how there youngsters coming through are all english yet no-one has really come through. People like Lansbury who was one of their main up and coming players now sits on the bench for forest!

 

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Azerbaijan Eagle 15 Feb 13 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Azerbaijan Eagle Add Azerbaijan Eagle as a friend

Once again too literal.

Show me a government official in Russia and I will show you someone who accepts bribes.

It is illegal in Russia, however that is the way it works.

He was a Governor of a state in Russia, part of the federation, so part of that regime.

I am sure that he had no idea of the Millenium Hotel debacle, is a very nice man etc, however the way in which State Companies were turned over from 1991 onwards was not legal in Russia - let alone here, however he was in the gang that won as it were and so has got to keep what he was able to take.

Do not be naive to think anything otherwise. There is vast poverty in Russia - vast, yet he has spent millions on a football club in England effectively at their expense.

Think on that.

Look, you baited re 5-1, I nibbled, I've come back with the validity on which your club was bought to which you start implying that our owners are a sinister bunch.

Living where I do, it would be of no surprise to me (well it would and I'd s*** myself) if I got a knock on my door from the Ministry of Interior here asking me not to cast dispersions on one of Azerbaijan's good friends. However that is the way it is here and that is the way of Russia.

Continuing in this fashion is just mud slinging and it isn't even about anything really to do with you winning 5-1 on Monday is it? - not the bit about our dodgy owners and radioactivity anyway.


 

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chelski Flag london 15 Feb 13 1.09pm Send a Private Message to chelski Add chelski as a friend

Quote akiisalegend at 15 Feb 2013 1.04pm

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 11.58am

Quote akiisalegend at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 11.40am

Quote akiisalegend at 15 Feb 2013 11.13am

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 9.33am

They cannot afford to waste time on youngsters, that's our job.


Hardly think the HUGE amount of investment that has gone on in our academy is a waste of time.
I think CPFC should be rightly proud of their academy. But I think our academy doesnt get the credit it deserves from other clubs.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the only player to come through your academy in past 10 years thats gone on to be a proven player is JT? Mceachran and Bertrand obviously have the talent to succeed but atm dont think can be classed as a very good product yet. Im not saying chelseas academy isnt good but just saying that the reason it may not get the credit it deserves because lately it hasnt really produced anyone of note?

Also on a note to what you were saying about profit. Doesnt your profit include the winnings from the champions league?
'The figure is a significant improvement on the £67.7 million loss recorded in the 2010-11 season, and while full accounts are yet to be published, the profit reflects the financial upside of the club’s Champions League and FA Cup wins'
Not just the winnings of the champs league will come from that you would probably have made around the £1.4 million profit just on ticket sales of the first leg semi final?
With this not happening this year (granted you may go far or win the europa) surely the profit levels/turnover will go down. Especially now incorporating the huge wages of new players like Hazard. I know youve let some players go to try and make up for it but cant see the outgoing wages/transfer fees of players coming close to the wages/transfer fees of the players that have come in?

Listed academy products earlier, but Jack Cork (Southampton) and Carlton Cole (West Ham). However accepted it could have been better BUT as I stated the players coming through now are beginning to show great promise and in large numbers (check our players on loan)

In terms of profit.Yes in those figures they incluse the Champions League TV money BUT they dont include the massive increase in sales of merchandise and the projected increased revenues from sponsors and companies. Additonally the increased TV revenue will ofset loses from Champions League early exit.


Cant believe i forgot about Cork, seeing as I used to play against him when I was at school!! (he went to Glynn if i remember correctly). How old is carlton cole now, surely he came through nearly 15 years ago?
Ah k, tbh I dont know many of the academy players. Are they actually home grown youngsters or they ones bought in like you did a few years ago like di santo, rajkovic, piazon, kakuta, mitrovic......? Not a dig or anything but just curious? The ones above set you back a few million didnt they? (i know you sold di santo and Rajkovic for quite decent amounts btw) Any on loan in the championship (im probably being thick and not realised them other than Chalobah)

Yeah good shout with the sponsorship/merchandise etc, hadnt taken that into account. Be interested to see how the books balance with the increase in transfer spend/wages and losses of champs league money compared to the money you get in like you say with sponsorship/TV etc.

McEachran (middlesborough), Michael Mancienne (sold to Hamburg)as well. Yes its true, as I have stated earlier, that our academy during the early 2000 era didnt produce top players anywhere near as much as it should. However, any in-depth analysis of our academy products coming through now will indicate that there is an abundance of great english talent. Last season we won the U15 premier league tournament, U16 Premier League Tournament and won the FA Youth Cup with predominately English Players. We have a great deal of players representing England (although to be fair that has not historically been a good indication of success)

Edited by chelski (15 Feb 2013 11.59am)


Knew I was being stupid as i literally had a word with a chelsea fan at work earlier who asked me to tell him how mceachran plays at the weekend! Yeah I havent looked back through all your posts as couldnt be bothered to read all 12 pages of this thread tbh. Its weird how these young tournaments are won by the 'bigger clubs' a lot but not many if any go on to make it. I remember arsenal saying about 5 years how there youngsters coming through are all english yet no-one has really come through. People like Lansbury who was one of their main up and coming players now sits on the bench for forest!


Also Hutchinson at Notts Forest, but I think you make a good point. To be fair to Arsenal they do have a lot of ex players in lower leagues. I think, to be honest, if we dont have big success in terms of youth products in the next 3 years I will happily 'eat humble pie'.

And no reading 12 pages of this thread is not something anyone is likely to do LOL

 

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kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 15 Feb 13 1.14pm Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Blimey this thread is a little strange. It's a bit like a Man Utd fan going onto an Oldham fan site and bragging at how good they are!.... Pointless!!

I don't mind Chelsea to much. If anything I don't look at them, Man Utd, Man City as I do other clubs. They are in there own world, a world that us and 95% of all other clubs will never be in. In a way it doesn't seem real. I have worked at Chelsea before and prior to the match you get countless people in Chelsea shirts and scarves asking you for directions to a certain stand. Chinese, Japanese, yanks, russians, poles, spanish and many other nationalities. It all seems a bit plastic and souless.

Being brought up near Sutton I have alot of mates who are Chelsea fans. They can't go to the games as they can't afford it. Football and the money side of things is out of control and Chelsea must accept some blame for this along with others. If you throw enough money at something then eventually it will work.

If anything I respect Man Utd more than I do Chelsea. Whatever you say about Sir Alex this is a man who has stood head and shoulders above any other manager. For over 25 years he has built successful sides, moved with the times, spent money but not in the mad way that Chelsea and Man City have. If things havent worked out for a season United have stuck by him and not chopped and changed manager after manager.

As for John Terry I will always respect his footballing ability but as a person the man is quite clearly a c***. Chelsea fans defend him to the hilt even though this is a man who uses racist language, sleeps with his friends girlfriends behind his wifes back, abuses and throws food whilst drunk at american tourists on the day of the 9/11 attacks and cheats constantly on the mother of his children by chatting up girls and making them sign contracts so they won't go to the papers... The last bit I know for a fact.

Nobody is perfect but this clearly is a man who has no morales or standards and certainly not somebody who we should be looking up to. Thank god he isn't the captain of our national team anymore.

 


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Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 1.09pm

Once again too literal.

Show me a government official in Russia and I will show you someone who accepts bribes.

It is illegal in Russia, however that is the way it works.

He was a Governor of a state in Russia, part of the federation, so part of that regime.

I am sure that he had no idea of the Millenium Hotel debacle, is a very nice man etc, however the way in which State Companies were turned over from 1991 onwards was not legal in Russia - let alone here, however he was in the gang that won as it were and so has got to keep what he was able to take.

Do not be naive to think anything otherwise. There is vast poverty in Russia - vast, yet he has spent millions on a football club in England effectively at their expense.

Think on that.

Look, you baited re 5-1, I nibbled, I've come back with the validity on which your club was bought to which you start implying that our owners are a sinister bunch.

Living where I do, it would be of no surprise to me (well it would and I'd s*** myself) if I got a knock on my door from the Ministry of Interior here asking me not to cast dispersions on one of Azerbaijan's good friends. However that is the way it is here and that is the way of Russia.

Continuing in this fashion is just mud slinging and it isn't even about anything really to do with you winning 5-1 on Monday is it? - not the bit about our dodgy owners and radioactivity anyway.



Sorry but when you state what you stated in your post (which was quite literal in terms of allegations) I dont feel it is then appropriate to just 'sling mud' at everyone from Russia who is a businessman and say they are a crook. Fortunately, you are right, we live in a country here where evidence is required and I have yet to see any. Additionally dont you think the press have tried for years to find such evidence?? None forthcoming from them so I think just randon allegations from you dont wash.

 

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Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation.



And where is your evidence that Abromovich was responsible for this?? Are you referring to the Russian state, all russian people or about him personally??

For information:

Additionally, Abromovich funded various charitable activities in the russian region he was governor for. In the period 2000–2006 the average salaries in Chukotka increased from about US5 (€117/£100) per month in 2000 to US6 (€588/£500) per month in 2006.[18][39]

The regional government estimates that, during his tenure, Abramovich directed investments in the range of .5 billion to rebuild Chukotka's crumbling housing, schools, hospitals and infrastructure, much of the money coming from his own pocket and through affiliated companies and his two foundations – Pole of Hope and Territoria

Not all bad then!!!!

Chelski,

It's all part of the game. You take $1m from people, give back $100K.

Look at me, aren't I great?

Before you continue spouting more examples of what I have just pointed out, go to these towns - Chukotka etc and see what they are like and then question whether he should be spending whatever it was on Drogba.

If he didn't do this by the way, then he wouldn't be allowed to keep what he has - look at Khodokovsky and Yukos

 

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Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.38pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm

Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation.



And where is your evidence that Abromovich was responsible for this?? Are you referring to the Russian state, all russian people or about him personally??

For information:

Additionally, Abromovich funded various charitable activities in the russian region he was governor for. In the period 2000–2006 the average salaries in Chukotka increased from about US5 (€117/£100) per month in 2000 to US6 (€588/£500) per month in 2006.[18][39]

The regional government estimates that, during his tenure, Abramovich directed investments in the range of .5 billion to rebuild Chukotka's crumbling housing, schools, hospitals and infrastructure, much of the money coming from his own pocket and through affiliated companies and his two foundations – Pole of Hope and Territoria

Not all bad then!!!!

Chelski,

It's all part of the game. You take m from people, give back 0K.

Look at me, aren't I great?

Before you continue spouting more examples of what I have just pointed out, go to these towns - Chukotka etc and see what they are like and then question whether he should be spending whatever it was on Drogba.

If he didn't do this by the way, then he wouldn't be allowed to keep what he has - look at Khodokovsky and Yukos


Refer to previous posts on Chulotka. Seems to me he has built a huge amount and increased wages and reduced poverty in this area. If you would like to produce alternate evidence then please do.

Listen, I dont doubt that there is a lot of poverty, corruption, violence, and intimidation in this town and many others in Russia. All I am saying is that you cant just say Abromovich is responsible for it because he is a businessman without any evidence.

 

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Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 15 Feb 2013 1.14pm

Blimey this thread is a little strange. It's a bit like a Man Utd fan going onto an Oldham fan site and bragging at how good they are!.... Pointless!!

Hmmm this is the AWAY fan page isnt it, which is branded up as 'come and have a go'!!
So not strange at all really apart from the fact that some Palace fans get the hump that an away fan actually has the nerve to do what the site wants. Very curious!!!

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Still waiting on the evidence!?!?!?

Oh I actually didn't think you'd choose this tack.

You're in denial or just don't care. Maybe it's both.

The evidence is there and in bundles all related in lawyer documents on what went on after democracy. What was state controlled was given over in huge corrupt deals to the 'chosen'. It's a shame that anyone who tries to expose anything important in Russia is murdered or framed and jailed......Your boss is in Putin's back pocket....But you be in denial all you want. It seems that all that matters to you is your silly football club.

You're maybe not a rational person to debate with, but then again you proved that when you created this thread.

Still, I wanted to answer your bragging about Chelsea. A club that, outside of its own fans, no one with any ethics really respects anymore....Unless they are ignorant of course.


 


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