If you believe the Hamas numbers of dead then it’s unbelievable how naive you might be. Full of s***.

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Propaganda both ways but 10 seconds will be enough for some as it won’t fit their agenda.

His definition of genocide would be useful too.

The numbers have been verified as as close to accurate as can be by the WHO and UN.

They are only the number the health authorities have counted. They do not include the countless dead left under rubble that cannot be cleared and those who are simply unaccounted for.

A conservative estimate puts the total death at about 100,000, that is 5% of the population. This seems about right as a minimum starting base given Israel's policy of carpet bombing an area with an incredibly densely packed population. I suspect even that figure is an underestimate.

There is no accurate breakdown of how many were Hamas fighters and how many were non combatants, but the estimate is in the order of 70:30.

Israel themselves claim to have killed 10,000 Hamas "fighters", but there is a very loose definition of what that means. I understand it is anyone in uniform with a gun which would of course tie in the civilian police and others who had absolutely nothing to do with 0ct 7.

I know I am wasting my time with this as I am up against those who seem to be of the view that the only good Palestinian is a dead one, or they somehow deserve what is happening to them, or otherwise buy into the Israeli rhetoric that whatever they do is just. However, I was just reacting to your post about the 30,000 being propaganda. It may give you comforts and fit within your narrative to think it, but it is more than likely to be untrue as an underestimate.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I’m not really sure what this has to do with my post - Israel have long been occupying and oppressing Palestine. It has become genocidal since last year.

The pentagon have today confirmed a number of 25,000 dead Palestinian women and children since October, and that’s not including civilian men, nor all of the victims still buried under rubble.

All of that fake grandstanding around the source of the numbers is the latest weak excuse to fall away.

25,000 women and children - how can it be anything but a genocide?

What is your definition of Palestine?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

They're not interested in truth or reality - it's just hop from point to point as and when the latest IDF lie gets exposed.

You'll note when there is a particularly horrific atrocity such as with the aid trucks yesterday, there is a load of diversion on definitions and sources and all sorts of other semantics, none of which should have any difference on someone's willingness to condemn such actions.

As you say, it's blatantly obvious from the information we have that the death toll is going to end up well above 20 or 30 thousand - absolutely everyone approaching this honestly knows this, but we hop up and down about where the numbers come from and whatever else.

I just don't understand how you end up in a position where you're tying yourself in illogical knots to defend something objectively so reprehensible.

A thoroughly depressing lack of humanity, and as you allude to, speaks more to their view of Palestinians than it does anything else. I fail to see how you can still maintain a defence of Israel otherwise.