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  Hrolf The Ganger  05 Oct 18 10.59pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
To be gay in Islamic communities in the UK?.....tough crowd....I'd imagine you'd keep pretty quiet about it. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2018 9.28pm) An unfunny irony that as our tolerance increases for minorities, certain minorities arriving here have none. Hating gays seems to be a past time of Islam and much Carribean culture, and of course, all the various imported religions mostly hate the others. We English 'Protestants' are just supposed to look on and despair quietly.
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| lefty27 ipswich 06 Oct 18 7.15am |
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I do find your concern for homosexuals slightly ironic. This was after this site was the star of a bbc documentary and many on here were outed as homophobic.
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Ouzo Dan  Behind you 06 Oct 18 7.25am |
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Originally posted by lefty27
I do find your concern for homosexuals slightly ironic. This was after this site was the star of a bbc documentary and many on here were outed as homophobic. Fake news. The consensus on here was that it was a hit job, the attitude at the time was to leave the thread well alone, there was about 3 oh so clever & funny posters the programme quoted & one person who was deliberately misquoted by the BBC. It was a hit piece, could you explain how many "many" is please?
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| dannyboy1978 06 Oct 18 7.31am |
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Originally posted by lefty27
I do find your concern for homosexuals slightly ironic. This was after this site was the star of a bbc documentary and many on here were outed as homophobic. From W12 I’m genuinely interested as to you your thinking Stirlingsays answered. Are you closing down debate, are you against free speech. Nothing said in this debate has been rude or agresive against the gay community yet if people's views don't aline with yours then you and the left attack. Can gay people naturally re produce ? No.
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| dannyboy1978 06 Oct 18 7.33am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
From W12 "I’m genuinely interested as to you your thinking" Stirlingsays answered. Are you closing down debate, are you against free speech. Nothing said in this debate has been rude or agresive against the gay community yet if people's views don't aline with yours then you and the left attack. Can gay people naturally re produce ? No.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Oct 18 7.46am |
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Originally posted by lefty27
I do find your concern for homosexuals slightly ironic. This was after this site was the star of a bbc documentary and many on here were outed as homophobic.
It's not ok to state that we should concerned over our attitudes to different sexualities rather than the actual violence and real justified fear that actual homosexuals within these communities have over discovery. Making statements like aggression to homosexuality 'will be solved by working within the community in which they are happening'.....is utter tripe. No it won't....these attitudes come from the religion and these communities aren't going to let you touch that......Take a long and serious look at how well Islamic reformists are treated within the wider Islamic community.....For that matter take a long and serious look at how the awful left treat these reformers....people Maajid Nawaz (probably the most famous Islamic reformer) calls the 'regressive left'. Your attitude is part of the problem......It isn't us who seek to minimise the issues of gays in Islamic communities with ridiculous platitudes. The left are a disgrace to the minorities within that religion....the apostates and homosexuals who live in fear. Guess they should just 'wait' for some idealised change that's not actually going to happen in their life time....feck's sake. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Oct 2018 7.55am)
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| Stirlingsays 06 Oct 18 7.51am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
From W12 I’m genuinely interested as to you your thinking Stirlingsays answered. Are you closing down debate, are you against free speech. Nothing said in this debate has been rude or agresive against the gay community yet if people's views don't aline with yours then you and the left attack. Can gay people naturally re produce ? No. A good summary. One of the problems with our current society is that political correctness has coddled a certain political demographic's brains so much that even simple truths are controversial now. If I could have a famous homosexual like Douglas Murray running the country I'd be made up. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Oct 2018 8.01am)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Oct 18 10.31am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
An unfunny irony that as our tolerance increases for minorities, certain minorities arriving here have none. Hating gays seems to be a past time of Islam and much Carribean culture, and of course, all the various imported religions mostly hate the others. We English 'Protestants' are just supposed to look on and despair quietly. Yeah but let's not forget that in Protestant England, 30 years ago the majority of people thought same sex relationships were sinful. Our understanding of freedom - be it freedom of speech, freedom of religious practice or freedom of thought - is built on a noble, if a little idealistic, idea that people change their minds, and what is right will win out. Who has done most to harm the gay community in this country in our lifetimes? Probably pharmaceutical companies who refused to lower the price of aids treatment, or media who were complicit in portraying it as a result of individual vice. Hundreds died, many more were shamed and families torn apart. Islam eat your heart out.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Oct 18 10.38am |
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Anyway back to Tommy. I watched his interview with sky and thought to be fair he dealt with the questioning very well. What I would have asked him is, of these cases of sexual abuse, why is it that he focuses on the religion of the accused and not, say, their gender, or age, or class? I would hazard that it's because he wants the easy option. Talking about Islam, selectively picking out koranic quotes and claiming it is the root of sexual violence allow him to continue the line of argument he trained in the EDL. But what unites the rape cases he covers, with those of Yew tree, the Catholic church and Boko Haram? They are carried out by men trained in an ideology of patriarchy, acting savagely and brutally, and who just so happen to justify their actions through religion. The irony is, when it comes to politicizing sexual violence, offering solidarity with its victims and support to families, there is already a group doing far more than Robinson will ever do. They're called feminists.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Oct 18 11.04am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Anyway back to Tommy. I watched his interview with sky and thought to be fair he dealt with the questioning very well. What I would have asked him is, of these cases of sexual abuse, why is it that he focuses on the religion of the accused and not, say, their gender, or age, or class? I would hazard that it's because he wants the easy option. Talking about Islam, selectively picking out koranic quotes and claiming it is the root of sexual violence allow him to continue the line of argument he trained in the EDL. Because he believes that Islam is incompatible with western values and that its growth as a demographic will inevitable change those values in the country. I partly agree with him on the first point and fully agree with him on the second. Originally posted by serial thriller
But what unites the rape cases he covers, with those of Yew tree, the Catholic church and Boko Haram? They are carried out by men trained in an ideology of patriarchy, acting savagely and brutally, and who just so happen to justify their actions through religion. Sorry but the idea that 'patriarchy' is a negative is complete and utter tripe. The natural relationship that would exist between most men and women without the western world that 'men' nearly exclusively built can be seen....outside of the west. Indeed the pendulum has swung far too much....now we have a generation of men who are excuses in trousers....that a lot of women don't even want to f***. The far left know not what they do......They are creating weak societies that are ripe for the picking by more aggressive ones. Originally posted by serial thriller
The irony is, when it comes to politicizing sexual violence, offering solidarity with its victims and support to families, there is already a group doing far more than Robinson will ever do. They're called feminists. Modern day feminism is cancer. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Oct 2018 11.06am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Oct 18 11.06am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Yeah but let's not forget that in Protestant England, 30 years ago the majority of people thought same sex relationships were sinful. Our understanding of freedom - be it freedom of speech, freedom of religious practice or freedom of thought - is built on a noble, if a little idealistic, idea that people change their minds, and what is right will win out. Who has done most to harm the gay community in this country in our lifetimes? Probably pharmaceutical companies who refused to lower the price of aids treatment, or media who were complicit in portraying it as a result of individual vice. Hundreds died, many more were shamed and families torn apart. Islam eat your heart out. There is some truth in what you say but when you say it, it just sounds like the usual Islamic apologist claptrap that we have come to expect. Whataboutery does not excuse anything. The Western world is trying to make itself a better place but it won't achieve that by importing the most intolerant aggressive religion on the planet. Tolerating intolerance because it is Islamic in the name of some perceived greater purpose stinks of hypocrisy and stupidity. Where do you draw the line? How many people have you seen on here excusing away mass rape with whataboutery? You for one. The line clearly does not exist for some.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Oct 18 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Is this a vindication of non-western cultures due to their more natural, less artificial structures in your eyes? Men built the world? Such a silly view. Where would Napoleon or Caesar or Churchill have been without their mother? Women do most of the manual labour in the world, mainly for far less money and without access to representation, frequently the target of abuse either in Britain or Saudi. Without them are whole society would crumble and burn. Learn some bloody respect.
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