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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 Jan 23 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Couple of posts ago you said that the Commission does not make laws. - They don’t make them. They propose them. When you proposed to your wife did you just assume she would say yes and pop down the pub to celebrate with your mates, or wait to hear her conditions, or refusal?
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 georgenorman 01 Jan 23 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They don’t make them. They propose them. When you proposed to your wife did you just assume she would say yes and pop down the pub to celebrate with your mates, or wait to hear her conditions, or refusal? Who makes the budgetary and foreign policy laws that the EU parliament cannot veto?
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| daven Hailsham 01 Jan 23 3.23pm |
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Basically, Cameron was forced into a Brexit vote to protect the conservative party from UKIP. He was massively unprepared for the Johnson/Cummings media campaign (take back control of our borders(massive laugh) , NHS funding on travel bus (would be massive laugh if people hadnt died), lucrative trade deals (U.S shaft everyone, India require relaxation in immigration to UK, and Australia already shafted us).
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| daven Hailsham 01 Jan 23 3.24pm |
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Oh, and please try to do it without personal insults. Thankyou
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| georgenorman 01 Jan 23 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by daven
Oh, and please try to do it without personal insults. Thankyou We can elect the people that make our laws.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jan 23 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Who makes the budgetary and foreign policy laws that the EU parliament cannot veto? No one. They aren’t laws. That’s the administration of laws, carried out as a delegated responsibility.
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| georgenorman 01 Jan 23 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No one. They aren’t laws. That’s the administration of laws, carried out as a delegated responsibility. Utter nonsense - they are laws.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jan 23 6.09pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
We can elect the people that make our laws. We do and did when a member of the EU. The only difference is back then we wisely delegated some decisions under the principle of subsidiarity. Something Thatcher understood pretty well.
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| georgenorman 01 Jan 23 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We do and did when a member of the EU. The only difference is back then we wisely delegated some decisions under the principle of subsidiarity. Something Thatcher understood pretty well. The MEPs that we elected had no means of implementing their manifestos, they cannot propose laws, they can vote against proposed laws but in some types of legislation they can't even do that. If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jan 23 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Utter nonsense - they are laws. I suggest you do a little research before posting such stupidity. The Council determines foreign policy. The Commission proposes and manages budgets. The laws to deal with this already exist.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jan 23 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The MEPs that we elected had no means of implementing their manifestos, they cannot propose laws, they can vote against proposed laws but in some types of legislation they can't even do that. If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy. A MEP having a manifesto would be as pointless as a member of the HoL having one. It’s a chamber for scrutiny and amendment. Not for the creation of policy. Before you criticise anything it’s recommended to actually know what it does!
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| georgenorman 01 Jan 23 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A MEP having a manifesto would be as pointless as a member of the HoL having one. It’s a chamber for scrutiny and amendment. Not for the creation of policy. Before you criticise anything it’s recommended to actually know what it does! Exactly, as they have no power to propose laws.
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