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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 19 3.43pm
Originally posted by Mapletree See my post below They aren't They blame the immediate post war generation. No get it right Maple, they 'hate'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

13 Mar 19 3.43pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

See my post below

They aren't

They blame the immediate post war generation.

No get it right Maple, they 'hate'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 19 3.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It would simply mean that the referendum result was ignored. What you actually mean is that your opinion is superior to the majority who voted leave. The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status. My argument is, and has always been, that any commitment made by Parliament can be withdrawn by Parliament in the light of subsequent events which in their judgement show it is no longer the best course of action. I believe that is not just their right but their democratic duty. Nothing annoys me more than to read the strident Brexiteers arguing that our democracy would be destroyed if we failed to complete a Brexit when the truth is precisely the reverse. Should Parliament decide to reverse the decision, having seen that the actual destination is not desirable, then it would be a triumph of our democracy, albeit an unpopular one in some circles. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 19 3.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It would simply mean that the referendum result was ignored.
What you actually mean is that your opinion is superior to the majority who voted leave.

The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status.

My argument is, and has always been, that any commitment made by Parliament can be withdrawn by Parliament in the light of subsequent events which in their judgement show it is no longer the best course of action. I believe that is not just their right but their democratic duty.

Nothing annoys me more than to read the strident Brexiteers arguing that our democracy would be destroyed if we failed to complete a Brexit when the truth is precisely the reverse. Should Parliament decide to reverse the decision, having seen that the actual destination is not desirable, then it would be a triumph of our democracy, albeit an unpopular one in some circles.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No get it right Maple, they 'hate'. Where there's blame, there's a claim.
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Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No get it right Maple, they 'hate'.

Where there's blame, there's a claim.

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Pussay Patrol 13 Mar 19 4.00pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Growth is misleading but how do you truly measure an economy. Debt to growth ratio I find alarming, and ours is 86%, others are also s***e. Is it all just a pile of debt? Well we have 2 million in poverty, food banks use highest ever, record consumer debt, average earner cannot buy houses, rents spiralling, highest energy bills in Europe, highest train fares in Europe, swathing cuts in public services, 27th in schools world league table (behind Vietnam and Slovenia) and soaring crime rates. Other than its boom time, get the champagne Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

13 Mar 19 4.00pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Growth is misleading but how do you truly measure an economy.

Debt to growth ratio I find alarming, and ours is 86%, others are also s***e.

Is it all just a pile of debt?

Well we have 2 million in poverty, food banks use highest ever, record consumer debt, average earner cannot buy houses, rents spiralling, highest energy bills in Europe, highest train fares in Europe, swathing cuts in public services, 27th in schools world league table (behind Vietnam and Slovenia) and soaring crime rates.

Other than its boom time, get the champagne

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 19 4.01pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Where there's blame, there's a claim. Tips hat. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

13 Mar 19 4.01pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Where there's blame, there's a claim.

Tips hat.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Mar 19 5.16pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status. My argument is, and has always been, that any commitment made by Parliament can be withdrawn by Parliament in the light of subsequent events which in their judgement show it is no longer the best course of action. I believe that is not just their right but their democratic duty. Nothing annoys me more than to read the strident Brexiteers arguing that our democracy would be destroyed if we failed to complete a Brexit when the truth is precisely the reverse. Should Parliament decide to reverse the decision, having seen that the actual destination is not desirable, then it would be a triumph of our democracy, albeit an unpopular one in some circles. A triumph for the extremists and populists you mean. They will have a field day recruiting people by telling them that the establishment cannot be trusted and unfortunately they would be right. Edited by Badger11 (13 Mar 2019 5.17pm) One more point
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Beckenham 13 Mar 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status.

Nothing annoys me more than to read the strident Brexiteers arguing that our democracy would be destroyed if we failed to complete a Brexit when the truth is precisely the reverse. Should Parliament decide to reverse the decision, having seen that the actual destination is not desirable, then it would be a triumph of our democracy, albeit an unpopular one in some circles.

A triumph for the extremists and populists you mean. They will have a field day recruiting people by telling them that the establishment cannot be trusted and unfortunately they would be right.

Edited by Badger11 (13 Mar 2019 5.17pm)

One more point

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Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 13 Mar 19 5.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status. My argument is, and has always been, that any commitment made by Parliament can be withdrawn by Parliament in the light of subsequent events which in their judgement show it is no longer the best course of action. I believe that is not just their right but their democratic duty. Nothing annoys me more than to read the strident Brexiteers arguing that our democracy would be destroyed if we failed to complete a Brexit when the truth is precisely the reverse. Should Parliament decide to reverse the decision, having seen that the actual destination is not desirable, then it would be a triumph of our democracy, albeit an unpopular one in some circles. Biggest load of Trotsky-ist Bullsh1t I have read on this subject in over 1400 pages of opinion. You arrogance amazes me, how can you just dismiss the will of the voting public like that, as if anyone who voted leaves is somehow an idiot ? And who are you to decide what is the best for this country ? Tell you something I'd rather trust the voting public than half the bent self serving wnak puffins in Parliament.
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Stone lickers 13 Mar 19 5.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status.

Biggest load of Trotsky-ist Bullsh1t I have read on this subject in over 1400 pages of opinion.

You arrogance amazes me, how can you just dismiss the will of the voting public like that, as if anyone who voted leaves is somehow an idiot ?

And who are you to decide what is the best for this country ? Tell you something I'd rather trust the voting public than half the bent self serving wnak puffins in Parliament.

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 19 5.25pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 I'd rather trust the voting public than half the bent self serving wnak puffins in Parliament. Hmm, is that where the expression 'wing man' comes from?
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Mapletree

Croydon 13 Mar 19 5.25pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

I'd rather trust the voting public than half the bent self serving wnak puffins in Parliament.

Hmm, is that where the expression 'wing man' comes from?

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 19 6.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status. My argument is, and has always been, that any commitment made by Parliament can be withdrawn by Parliament in the light of subsequent events which in their judgement show it is no longer the best course of action. I believe that is not just their right but their democratic duty. Nothing annoys me more than to read the strident Brexiteers arguing that our democracy would be destroyed if we failed to complete a Brexit when the truth is precisely the reverse. Should Parliament decide to reverse the decision, having seen that the actual destination is not desirable, then it would be a triumph of our democracy, albeit an unpopular one in some circles. Yawn. Your interpretation is self-serving waffle. It was promised that the referendum would be honoured. That is a matter of record. All else is bulls***. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Mar 2019 6.56pm)
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13 Mar 19 6.55pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The referendum result is actually irrelevant. It's the commitment given by Parliament to respect it which is important as referendums have no constitutional status.

Yawn.
Your interpretation is self-serving waffle.

It was promised that the referendum would be honoured. That is a matter of record.

All else is bulls***.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Mar 2019 6.56pm)

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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 19 7.25pm
Four votes....blimey. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Mar 19 7.25pm

Four votes....blimey.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Mar 19 7.27pm
it looks like we stay in the EU in the short to medium term unless people vote for May's deal at the 3rd opportunity. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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