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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Mar 19 1.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'Made up a position'? In what way is that made up? It's a statement of reality that I'm happy for you to show me is incorrect. ‘Of those that push for a second vote.....I imagine few if any of them argued that it was democratic to hold the original referendum’ As you well know, it’s impossible to show that to be incorrect, just as it’s impossible for you to show it to be correct. Your use of the word imagine suggests you know it to be made up.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Made up a position'?

In what way is that made up? It's a statement of reality that I'm happy for you to show me is incorrect.

‘Of those that push for a second vote.....I imagine few if any of them argued that it was democratic to hold the original referendum’

As you well know, it’s impossible to show that to be incorrect, just as it’s impossible for you to show it to be correct.

Your use of the word imagine suggests you know it to be made up.

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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 19 1.32pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow ‘Of those that push for a second vote.....I imagine few if any of them argued that it was democratic to hold the original referendum’ As you well know, it’s impossible to show that to be incorrect, just as it’s impossible for you to show it to be correct. Your use of the word imagine suggests you know it to be made up. Well, it is actually possible to prove my position. Their was a public body of people who were pro EU and were calling for an EU referendum and they were the LibDems. The reason you say it's impossible to prove me wrong is because there wasn't anybody else...which is what I said. Then when Cameron actually announced the referendum the LibDems magically no longer supported that position.....which keys into the hypocrisy and lies of these people. Because, like many of their policies they only held it because they could face two ways while thinking it would never become a reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 1.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Mar 19 1.32pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

‘Of those that push for a second vote.....I imagine few if any of them argued that it was democratic to hold the original referendum’

As you well know, it’s impossible to show that to be incorrect, just as it’s impossible for you to show it to be correct.

Your use of the word imagine suggests you know it to be made up.

Well, it is actually possible to prove my position.

Their was a public body of people who were pro EU and were calling for an EU referendum and they were the LibDems. The reason you say it's impossible to prove me wrong is because there wasn't anybody else...which is what I said.

Then when Cameron actually announced the referendum the LibDems magically no longer supported that position.....which keys into the hypocrisy and lies of these people.

Because, like many of their policies they only held it because they could face two ways while thinking it would never become a reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 1.33pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Mar 19 1.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, it is actually possible to prove my position. Their was a public body of people who were pro EU and were calling for an EU referendum and they were the LibDems. The reason you say it's impossible to prove me wrong is because there wasn't anybody else...which is what I said. Then when Cameron actually announced the referendum the LibDems magically no longer supported that position.....which keys into the hypocrisy and lies of these people. Because, like many of their policies they only held it because they could face two ways while thinking it would never become a reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 1.33pm) The existence of one body who acted as you described, does not prove the statement that there was few, if any, who did the opposite, to be true. So no, it’s not possible to prove.
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SE19 13 Mar 19 1.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, it is actually possible to prove my position.

Then when Cameron actually announced the referendum the LibDems magically no longer supported that position.....which keys into the hypocrisy and lies of these people.

Because, like many of their policies they only held it because they could face two ways while thinking it would never become a reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 1.33pm)

The existence of one body who acted as you described, does not prove the statement that there was few, if any, who did the opposite, to be true.

So no, it’s not possible to prove.

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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 19 2.02pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The existence of one body who acted as you described, does not prove the statement that there was few, if any, who did the opposite, to be true. So no, it’s not possible to prove. Well it kind of does.....one body existing is a minority and hence the word 'few' seems perfectly adequate as a description. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Mar 19 2.02pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The existence of one body who acted as you described, does not prove the statement that there was few, if any, who did the opposite, to be true.

So no, it’s not possible to prove.

Well it kind of does.....one body existing is a minority and hence the word 'few' seems perfectly adequate as a description.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 19 2.23pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I am afraid they do Stirling. As you know, the young tend to be quite holier than thou. They feel deeply let down Tux is also right, this generation will never forgive the over 65 generation for many things. Their view is that their future was stolen by those who decided to feather their nests at the expense of future generations. DB pensions, control over housing and ridiculous levels of debt being the clearest examples. It seems we are all stuck with being poorer than previous generations and that will get worse as a result of Brexit. Still, maybe it will get better in 20 years' time eh! Meanwhile lets all watch the oldies going on their world cruises. My god man. Every generation blames the one before. Even Mike and the Mechanics knew that.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

I am afraid they do Stirling. As you know, the young tend to be quite holier than thou. They feel deeply let down

Tux is also right, this generation will never forgive the over 65 generation for many things. Their view is that their future was stolen by those who decided to feather their nests at the expense of future generations. DB pensions, control over housing and ridiculous levels of debt being the clearest examples. It seems we are all stuck with being poorer than previous generations and that will get worse as a result of Brexit. Still, maybe it will get better in 20 years' time eh! Meanwhile lets all watch the oldies going on their world cruises.

My god man. Every generation blames the one before.

Even Mike and the Mechanics knew that.

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 13 Mar 19 3.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You mean this economy.....you know the one doing better than any other EU economy. Well, if we ignore for a minute: Luxembourg Ireland Netherlands Sweden Germany Denmark Austria Belgium Finland But then, THEN we are top of the pile
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You mean this economy.....you know the one doing better than any other EU economy.

Well, if we ignore for a minute:

Luxembourg
Ireland
Netherlands
Sweden
Germany
Denmark
Austria
Belgium
Finland

But then, THEN we are top of the pile

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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 19 3.19pm
Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff Well, if we ignore for a minute: Luxembourg Ireland Netherlands Sweden Germany Denmark Austria Belgium Finland But then, THEN we are top of the pile Tiny economies from small countries don't really scale. Where do you get these stats because from what I've seen only Spain and the Netherlands from the EU have a higher growth than the UK in the G20 at the moment......and Spain's economy is recovering with a lot of fiscal help. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 3.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Mar 19 3.19pm

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Well, if we ignore for a minute:

Luxembourg
Ireland
Netherlands
Sweden
Germany
Denmark
Austria
Belgium
Finland

But then, THEN we are top of the pile

Tiny economies from small countries don't really scale.

Where do you get these stats because from what I've seen only Spain and the Netherlands from the EU have a higher growth than the UK in the G20 at the moment......and Spain's economy is recovering with a lot of fiscal help.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 3.33pm)

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 13 Mar 19 3.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Tiny economies from small countries don't really scale. Where do you get these stats because from what I've seen only Spain and the Netherlands from the EU have a higher growth than the UK in the G20 at the moment......and Spain economy is recovering with a lot of fiscal help. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 3.21pm) Ah, this is GDP per capita. I took your post to mean the current state of the economies, rather than growth
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Caterham 13 Mar 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Tiny economies from small countries don't really scale.

Where do you get these stats because from what I've seen only Spain and the Netherlands from the EU have a higher growth than the UK in the G20 at the moment......and Spain economy is recovering with a lot of fiscal help.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 3.21pm)

Ah, this is GDP per capita. I took your post to mean the current state of the economies, rather than growth

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Your kids feel 'deeply let down do they'?....I wonder why they feel like that? Your politics perhaps? Anyway...what are they owned again? Who was looking out for my future as a teenager? Eh....Where was this expectation for others to think how I wished them to think back then? As for the point about generations Oh please....like this lot are somehow are going to be more ethical than the last lot. The young always talk nonsense. When in reality when they start working and paying tax they will do as much as they can to feather their own nests and than use BS to justify it to themselves and others......just like their parents did.....and the ones before them. No, not only mine as I made perfectly clear. I find the constant refrain on the HOL that the young are stupid, untrustworthy and need to be told what to do more than a little laughable. Hmm, your future? How much did you pay for your education? How much did your house cost? Did you get MIRAS? Have you had access to DB pensions? In reality you may be young enough where you weren't a beneficiary. It is unusual for the young to despise the generation two generations before them - normally it is their parental generation.
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Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your kids feel 'deeply let down do they'?....I wonder why they feel like that? Your politics perhaps? Anyway...what are they owned again? Who was looking out for my future as a teenager? Eh....Where was this expectation for others to think how I wished them to think back then?

As for the point about generations Oh please....like this lot are somehow are going to be more ethical than the last lot. The young always talk nonsense. When in reality when they start working and paying tax they will do as much as they can to feather their own nests and than use BS to justify it to themselves and others......just like their parents did.....and the ones before them.

No, not only mine as I made perfectly clear.

I find the constant refrain on the HOL that the young are stupid, untrustworthy and need to be told what to do more than a little laughable.

Hmm, your future? How much did you pay for your education? How much did your house cost? Did you get MIRAS? Have you had access to DB pensions?

In reality you may be young enough where you weren't a beneficiary. It is unusual for the young to despise the generation two generations before them - normally it is their parental generation.

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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff Ah, this is GDP per capita. I took your post to mean the current state of the economies, rather than growth Growth is misleading but how do you truly measure an economy. Debt to growth ratio I find alarming, and ours is 86%, others are also s***e. Is it all just a pile of debt?
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Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Ah, this is GDP per capita. I took your post to mean the current state of the economies, rather than growth

Growth is misleading but how do you truly measure an economy.

Debt to growth ratio I find alarming, and ours is 86%, others are also s***e.

Is it all just a pile of debt?

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger My god man. Every generation blames the one before. Even Mike and the Mechanics knew that. See my post below They aren't They blame the immediate post war generation.
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Croydon 13 Mar 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

My god man. Every generation blames the one before.

Even Mike and the Mechanics knew that.

See my post below

They aren't

They blame the immediate post war generation.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Very few of them you could call 'Professionals' A bit like the Site Manager who's never knocked up muck or hung a door. Or the HR who's actually never held down a meaningful job in his or her life. Most politicians or certainly very few of them have had a proper job & yet have the temerity to lecture us.It's why they are politicians. Of course they are professionals! They are paid by us to represent us and take decisions on our behalf. You can question their competence but not their status. In fact many have legal training and all have access to legal and expert advice and the time to study things. Just as you don't ask a carpenter to do brain surgery you shouldn't ask the people to take complicated decisions like Brexit, when too many of the people are either misinformed, prejudiced or emotional to take cool rational decisions on such important matters. We elect representatives to do the research and the thinking and not Mr Murdoch, Mr Putin, Mr Farage, Mr Banks or the sides of buses. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Very few of them you could call 'Professionals' A bit like the Site Manager who's never knocked up muck or hung a door. Or the HR who's actually never held down a meaningful job in his or her life.
Most politicians or certainly very few of them have had a proper job & yet have the temerity to lecture us.It's why they are politicians.

Of course they are professionals! They are paid by us to represent us and take decisions on our behalf. You can question their competence but not their status. In fact many have legal training and all have access to legal and expert advice and the time to study things. Just as you don't ask a carpenter to do brain surgery you shouldn't ask the people to take complicated decisions like Brexit, when too many of the people are either misinformed, prejudiced or emotional to take cool rational decisions on such important matters. We elect representatives to do the research and the thinking and not Mr Murdoch, Mr Putin, Mr Farage, Mr Banks or the sides of buses.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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