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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 18 Mar 22 3.17pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Vlad headlines a rally in Moscow allegedly under the pretext of celebrating the annexation of Crimea.

Thousands forced to attend so they can hear about the success of the 'special operation' in Ukraine. How does he sleep at night?

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Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Mar 22 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Vlad headlines a rally in Moscow allegedly under the pretext of celebrating the annexation of Crimea.

Thousands forced to attend so they can hear about the success of the 'special operation' in Ukraine. How does he sleep at night?

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I'd imagine in some four poster silk ridden bed. But then tells people in a cave with Wild Bears and Wolves.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

I'd imagine in some four poster silk ridden bed. But then tells people in a cave with Wild Bears and Wolves.

He shares his cave with Nigel Pearson.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Mar 22 8.39pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Vlad headlines a rally in Moscow allegedly under the pretext of celebrating the annexation of Crimea.

Thousands forced to attend so they can hear about the success of the 'special operation' in Ukraine. How does he sleep at night?

[Link]

The annexation of Crimea in 2014 will be viewed as a success by Putin certainly, and its what the people there wanted.

The population are overwhelmingly Russian speaking and voted 90% in favour of joining the Russian Federation in 2015.

 

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Grumbles 18 Mar 22 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The annexation of Crimea in 2014 will be viewed as a success by Putin certainly, and its what the people there wanted.

The population are overwhelmingly Russian speaking and voted 90% in favour of joining the Russian Federation in 2015.

You realise you are parroting the far right? When both ends of the spectrum manage consensus.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Mar 22 9.58pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Vlad headlines a rally in Moscow allegedly under the pretext of celebrating the annexation of Crimea.

Thousands forced to attend so they can hear about the success of the 'special operation' in Ukraine. How does he sleep at night?

[Link]

The cheering on of fantasy land beliefs... Certainly effective if you have the military might to back it up, and no low of moral behaviour is ever percieved as such. I'm sure there are still some in Russia not caught up in this bubble, but they essentially hold opinions that are illegal to express. Stockholm syndrome nation.

 

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BelfastEagle Flag 18 Mar 22 10.30pm Send a Private Message to BelfastEagle Add BelfastEagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

The cheering on of fantasy land beliefs... Certainly effective if you have the military might to back it up, and no low of moral behaviour is ever percieved as such. I'm sure there are still some in Russia not caught up in this bubble, but they essentially hold opinions that are illegal to express. Stockholm syndrome nation.

Unfortunately we here in the west are equally as morally bankrupt. Our leaders say we can’t get involved so we just sit at home watching thousands of innocents being massacred on TV. If NATO feels no moral responsibility to protect innocent people is it really a worthwhile organisation or something to aspire to ? What about the agreement to defend the Ukraine signed by the Russians US and UK ? It’s conveniently become invalid we now say ?

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 19 Mar 22 12.12am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The annexation of Crimea in 2014 will be viewed as a success by Putin certainly, and its what the people there wanted.

The population are overwhelmingly Russian speaking and voted 90% in favour of joining the Russian Federation in 2015.

Did you have fun at the rally?

I am sure your comments will be comforting to the civilians in Mariupol

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Mar 22 6.35am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

Unfortunately we here in the west are equally as morally bankrupt. Our leaders say we can’t get involved so we just sit at home watching thousands of innocents being massacred on TV. If NATO feels no moral responsibility to protect innocent people is it really a worthwhile organisation or something to aspire to ? What about the agreement to defend the Ukraine signed by the Russians US and UK ? It’s conveniently become invalid we now say ?

From what I hear that agreement wasn't ratified by the US nor UK governments. Its always been clear that only Nato membership is the seal that ensures that the west goes to war.

We have given the Ukrainians massive military and humanitarian aid. While I agree with this on principle it could be argued that this itself has only prolonged the disaster.

You talk about moral bankruptcy yet what gives you yourself the the right to risk the lives of tens of millions of people and present that as morality. Many of those people won't agree.

Do you want to go to war everytime wars we don't agree with occur? Like world policemen. Were you on here calling for military intervention in Yemen? Or did the lack of media coverage avert your attention?

Do you have family serving in the military that you want fighting in constant foreign wars?

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2022 6.37am)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Mar 22 8.19am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Worry not folks help is at hand.

Bono has written a poem in support of Ukraine and Nancy Pelosi has read it out.

I bet those knees are a trembling in the Kremlin.

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At least Mila Kunis has helped raised $30m for them.

Note: I was going to mention Leonardo DeCapri's generous $10m donation but according to CNN this is actually fake news, in fairness he did not put this out so I guess someone was pranking him.

 


One more point

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Mar 22 8.36am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Worry not folks help is at hand.

Bono has written a poem in support of Ukraine and Nancy Pelosi has read it out.

I bet those knees are a trembling in the Kremlin.

[Link]

At least Mila Kunis has helped raised m for them.

Note: I was going to mention Leonardo DeCapri's generous m donation but according to CNN this is actually fake news, in fairness he did not put this out so I guess someone was pranking him.

No doubt his lack of donated millions means some neo con thinks he's a Putin supporter.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Mar 22 9.08am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

Unfortunately we here in the west are equally as morally bankrupt. Our leaders say we can’t get involved so we just sit at home watching thousands of innocents being massacred on TV. If NATO feels no moral responsibility to protect innocent people is it really a worthwhile organisation or something to aspire to ? What about the agreement to defend the Ukraine signed by the Russians US and UK ? It’s conveniently become invalid we now say ?

Nato is not a world or European policeman. It's a mutual defence agreement, to which Ukraine does not belong. So whilst its members are as distressed as everyone about what is happening, and could, theoretically, get actively involved individually and are providing support, Nato as an organisation cannot. No member has been attacked.

That Putin blames Nato is just him sowing disinformation and blowing a smoke screen to cover his aggression. This is Putin's war. Nato has no, and has never had, any aggressive purpose. Its role is wholly defensive. It exists to deter aggression and will respond only if that deterrence fails.

The reason Putin doesn't like Nato expansion is not because of any military threat to Russia. There isn't any. He doesn't like it because he knows that it restrains his own ambitions. The threats come internally. Having successful, growing democracies on his borders, protected by Nato, could be seen by the western Russian regions as models for themselves and create unrest.

 


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