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.TUX. 12 Mar 19 9.52pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Oh I see. So we have to go away and substantiate your so called 'facts' or otherwise take your word for it? you're no different to all the other so called Brexperts who think they know it all No bud. You can do what i do and find as much information as possible (on any given subject) and then make an educated decision. My conclusion is that the EU is socially/economically f***ed therefore the further we are away the better. I look at 'the whole', you're not there yet but hopefully one day.........? And once again i'll say why is our labour worth less than those we've followed? This is the Elephant in the Room that nobody appears to ever want to address............yet this is something that has been here long before the Brexit manipulation/debacle/smoke screen. Brexit is a crock. You'll still be poor regardless. And that's the biggest shame. Edited by .TUX. (12 Mar 2019 9.53pm) Buy Litecoin.
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12 Mar 19 9.52pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Oh I see. So we have to go away and substantiate your so called 'facts' or otherwise take your word for it?

you're no different to all the other so called Brexperts who think they know it all

No bud.
You can do what i do and find as much information as possible (on any given subject) and then make an educated decision.
My conclusion is that the EU is socially/economically f***ed therefore the further we are away the better.
I look at 'the whole', you're not there yet but hopefully one day.........?
And once again i'll say why is our labour worth less than those we've followed? This is the Elephant in the Room that nobody appears to ever want to address............yet this is something that has been here long before the Brexit manipulation/debacle/smoke screen.

Brexit is a crock. You'll still be poor regardless.

And that's the biggest shame.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 19 9.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I will break my self imposed silence because this attitude is what is so wrong with the current situation. Mrs May herself is infected with it. Revoking article 50 will mean that democracy is officially meaningless. No it won't! It will prove that our version of democracy, which is vested solely in Parliament and has nothing to do with referendums, is alive and well. Someone needs to start saying this much more loudly. If that is what our MPs believe is in our best interests then they need to have the courage of their convictions, and then explain why to the electorate. That means that you and I have no say in anything. It will be, as the cynics among us always knew, just an illusion to satisfy the masses. Also wrong. You and I have a huge say in everything as we are the ones who choose who will represent us and take the decisions on our behalf. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 19 9.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I will break my self imposed silence because this attitude is what is so wrong with the current situation. Mrs May herself is infected with it.

Revoking article 50 will mean that democracy is officially meaningless.

No it won't! It will prove that our version of democracy, which is vested solely in Parliament and has nothing to do with referendums, is alive and well. Someone needs to start saying this much more loudly. If that is what our MPs believe is in our best interests then they need to have the courage of their convictions, and then explain why to the electorate.

That means that you and I have no say in anything. It will be, as the cynics among us always knew, just an illusion to satisfy the masses.

Also wrong. You and I have a huge say in everything as we are the ones who choose who will represent us and take the decisions on our behalf.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Mar 19 10.00pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol May was so cocksure she would win her election and get a Brexit mandate, she got it hopelessly wrong. Labour did make inroads and should make more, plus the Tories need to make gains to make up a majority as they only have that now with DUP support, I don't see it swinging back. The problem with your theory is you think Brexit is the be all and end all, if you put it to one side alot of people have had enough of them. There are lots of other issues they are failing on, crime, public funding. I reckon half the reason May is so desperate to deliver brexit is her party wants to avoid an election at all costs as they know they would lose I tend to agree with you on this. However Labour have lost a lot of the inroads they made, due to indecisiveness over Brexit, anti-semitism and Momentum. When you look at their front bench it does not inspire much confidence
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

May was so cocksure she would win her election and get a Brexit mandate, she got it hopelessly wrong. Labour did make inroads and should make more, plus the Tories need to make gains to make up a majority as they only have that now with DUP support, I don't see it swinging back.

The problem with your theory is you think Brexit is the be all and end all, if you put it to one side alot of people have had enough of them. There are lots of other issues they are failing on, crime, public funding.

I reckon half the reason May is so desperate to deliver brexit is her party wants to avoid an election at all costs as they know they would lose

I tend to agree with you on this. However Labour have lost a lot of the inroads they made, due to indecisiveness over Brexit, anti-semitism and Momentum. When you look at their front bench it does not inspire much confidence

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.TUX. 12 Mar 19 10.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You and I have a huge say in everything as we are the ones who choose who will represent us and take the decisions on our behalf. Once again you haven't got a clue. Where, when voting for many years now, did you ever ask for those that followed your grandparents to be worse off than they were? You/we have NO SAY in anything. A man of your age should know far better............unless you're a friggin' idiot. Tbf. Buy Litecoin.
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12 Mar 19 10.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You and I have a huge say in everything as we are the ones who choose who will represent us and take the decisions on our behalf.

Once again you haven't got a clue.
Where, when voting for many years now, did you ever ask for those that followed your grandparents to be worse off than they were?

You/we have NO SAY in anything. A man of your age should know far better............unless you're a friggin' idiot. Tbf.

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Mar 19 10.06pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Oh I see. So we have to go away and substantiate your so called 'facts' or otherwise take your word for it? you're no different to all the other so called Brexperts who think they know it all Sounds like you and Steeleye actually.
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Horsham 12 Mar 19 10.06pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Oh I see. So we have to go away and substantiate your so called 'facts' or otherwise take your word for it?

you're no different to all the other so called Brexperts who think they know it all

Sounds like you and Steeleye actually.

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Mar 19 10.09pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I like the way you put FACT at the end and assume it as so. FACTS usually need to be substantiated with evidence I have asked Steeleye to do this a few times recently....am still waiting or is it only us "Brexperts" that have produce substantiated evidence?
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Horsham 12 Mar 19 10.09pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I like the way you put FACT at the end and assume it as so.

FACTS usually need to be substantiated with evidence

I have asked Steeleye to do this a few times recently....am still waiting or is it only us "Brexperts" that have produce substantiated evidence?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 19 10.15pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Once again you haven't got a clue. Where, when voting for many years now, did you ever ask for those that followed your grandparents to be worse off than they were? You/we have NO SAY in anything. A man of your age should know far better............unless you're a friggin' idiot. Tbf. I believe in British Parliamentary democracy. Do you, or do believe in allowing a media influenced plebiscite to over-rule the collective will of the professionals we employ? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 19 10.15pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Once again you haven't got a clue.
Where, when voting for many years now, did you ever ask for those that followed your grandparents to be worse off than they were?

You/we have NO SAY in anything. A man of your age should know far better............unless you're a friggin' idiot. Tbf.

I believe in British Parliamentary democracy. Do you, or do believe in allowing a media influenced plebiscite to over-rule the collective will of the professionals we employ?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Mar 19 10.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I will break my self imposed silence because this attitude is what is so wrong with the current situation. Mrs May herself is infected with it. Revoking article 50 will mean that democracy is officially meaningless. No it won't! It will prove that our version of democracy, which is vested solely in Parliament and has nothing to do with referendums, is alive and well. Someone needs to start saying this much more loudly. If that is what our MPs believe is in our best interests then they need to have the courage of their convictions, and then explain why to the electorate. That means that you and I have no say in anything. It will be, as the cynics among us always knew, just an illusion to satisfy the masses. Also wrong. You and I have a huge say in everything as we are the ones who choose who will represent us and take the decisions on our behalf. Your spin bores me because that is all it is.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I will break my self imposed silence because this attitude is what is so wrong with the current situation. Mrs May herself is infected with it.

Revoking article 50 will mean that democracy is officially meaningless.

No it won't! It will prove that our version of democracy, which is vested solely in Parliament and has nothing to do with referendums, is alive and well. Someone needs to start saying this much more loudly. If that is what our MPs believe is in our best interests then they need to have the courage of their convictions, and then explain why to the electorate.

That means that you and I have no say in anything. It will be, as the cynics among us always knew, just an illusion to satisfy the masses.

Also wrong. You and I have a huge say in everything as we are the ones who choose who will represent us and take the decisions on our behalf.

Your spin bores me because that is all it is.

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jeeagles 12 Mar 19 10.25pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Best suit up brah Because these are now your options 1) leave with no deal on March 29 2) ask for extension (dependant on reason, length & EU27 unanimity) 3) revoke article 50 I think we all know that option 1 is now off the table. I look forward to seeing all 10 of you and whose army charging into Westminster. Good luck and all that Hopefully, a vote for to not rule put a no deal will go through tomorrow. That's the best way I can see us getting any leverage on the EU. It would put pressure on the EU to identify a solution to the Irish boarder issue and to start to give concessions that may change the vote of a significant number of politians. The EU want their £39BN and want to protect their economies, despite the fact it will hurt us more. A no deal vote wouldn't rule out 2 and 3 either. Option 3 is politically unacceptable. I can't see Option 2 happening, as I can't see what grounds she'd ask for this on. They wouldn't want a general election, and I don't think anyone has put themselves forward for a legal challenge.
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12 Mar 19 10.25pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Best suit up brah

Because these are now your options

1) leave with no deal on March 29
2) ask for extension (dependant on reason, length & EU27 unanimity)
3) revoke article 50

I think we all know that option 1 is now off the table.

I look forward to seeing all 10 of you and whose army charging into Westminster. Good luck and all that

Hopefully, a vote for to not rule put a no deal will go through tomorrow. That's the best way I can see us getting any leverage on the EU. It would put pressure on the EU to identify a solution to the Irish boarder issue and to start to give concessions that may change the vote of a significant number of politians. The EU want their £39BN and want to protect their economies, despite the fact it will hurt us more.

A no deal vote wouldn't rule out 2 and 3 either.

Option 3 is politically unacceptable.

I can't see Option 2 happening, as I can't see what grounds she'd ask for this on. They wouldn't want a general election, and I don't think anyone has put themselves forward for a legal challenge.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 19 10.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your spin bores me because that is all it is. It's not spin at all and to seek to dismiss it as such is to trivialise a valid view held by many who don't agree with you. Indeed I just heard a constitutional expert saying much the same thing on the BBC. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 19 10.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your spin bores me because that is all it is.

It's not spin at all and to seek to dismiss it as such is to trivialise a valid view held by many who don't agree with you. Indeed I just heard a constitutional expert saying much the same thing on the BBC.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Mar 19 10.44pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I tend to agree with you on this. However Labour have lost a lot of the inroads they made, due to indecisiveness over Brexit, anti-semitism and Momentum. When you look at their front bench it does not inspire much confidence Don’t agree. Take out Corbyn and Abbott. Watson and Starmer both particularly strong. A decent bench IMO.
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Croydon 12 Mar 19 10.44pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Don’t agree. Take out Corbyn and Abbott. Watson and Starmer both particularly strong. A decent bench IMO.

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.TUX. 12 Mar 19 10.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I believe in British Parliamentary democracy. Do you, or do believe in allowing a media influenced plebiscite to over-rule the collective will of the professionals we employ? Which makes you a good citizen. Well done. Now, aside from ticking a meaningless box, where, when voting for many years now, did you ever ask for those that followed your grandparents to be worse off than they were? Buy Litecoin.
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12 Mar 19 10.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I believe in British Parliamentary democracy. Do you, or do believe in allowing a media influenced plebiscite to over-rule the collective will of the professionals we employ?

Which makes you a good citizen. Well done.

Now, aside from ticking a meaningless box, where, when voting for many years now, did you ever ask for those that followed your grandparents to be worse off than they were?

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