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Pussay Patrol Flag 12 Mar 19 2.38pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


Yep, I could see this quite conceivably playing out as you suggest and the country having wasted almost 3years of unnecessary bickering and angst.

Tories have very few palatable leadership candidates left, I can only think of perhaps Sajid Javid

Then again, who would take the job? They would probably lose the election then be faced with having to sort out the Brexit mess even if they could form a government, on a hiding to nothing

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Mar 19 2.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by becky

So, we give NI to the Republic, let all the NI residents who want to remain British move over here, and shift all those of non indigenous origins out of Birmingham/Bradford/etc to NI......

Win win

The Irish pub trade would never forgive us.

 


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Matov Flag 12 Mar 19 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Tories have very few palatable leadership candidates left, I can only think of perhaps Sajid Javid

Johnson is the only credible candidate. I loathe the b****** but he polls well. Has character, a distinct 'brand' and can beat left wingers as he showed against Livingstone.

A GE will be fought solely over this Brexit issue. Him against Corbyn is no contest. The Tories will unite, Labour will implode. I reckon a 30-40 seat majority win for them if they hold it before September.

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Tories have very few palatable leadership candidates left, I can only think of perhaps Sajid Javid

Then again, who would take the job? They would probably lose the election then be faced with having to sort out the Brexit mess even if they could form a government, on a hiding to nothing


Why not Chris Grayling?


 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 12 Mar 19 2.43pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Ah the Metro it must be true.
You seem so obsessed with JRM I am beginning to think you are secretly in love with him

What on earth are you talking about?

It's on dispatchs program on channel 4 tonight.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 12 Mar 19 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Johnson is the only credible candidate. I loathe the b****** but he polls well. Has character, a distinct 'brand' and can beat left wingers as he showed against Livingstone.

TBF he did have loads of help from the Evening Standard, who simply hated Livingstone

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Mar 19 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

British people very uninformed about the Republic of Ireland. Generally, there is not a great desire to 'have' Northern Ireland anymore. Ireland would certainly not pay any money for it. The UK would have to pay the Republic billions over a long period for The Republic to be interested at all. We generally can't deal with our own problems without outside investment - let alone take on any more problems.

I know that.....but that doesn't stop the Catholics moving into protestant areas does it......The unionist demographics are slowly changing.....So in a few decades the Irish will find themselves with a majority for a united Ireland in NI.

Then Ireland will have to take it back because presumably the British aren't going to pay for a load of Irish......Mind you, nothing surprises me anymore.


Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 2.47pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I know that.....but that doesn't stop the Catholics moving into protestant areas does it......The unionist demographics are slowly changing.....So in a few decades the Irish will find themselves with a majority for a united Ireland in NI.

Then Ireland will have to take it back because presumably the British aren't going to pay for a load of Irish......Mind you, nothing surprises me anymore.


Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 2.47pm)

I suspect the expat Irish in America would have a big influence on any future rapprochement or combination between the North and the Republic. The US Government has long been a supporter of sending work to the RoI, to the detriment of the UK.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Mar 19 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I suspect the expat Irish in America would have a big influence on any future rapprochement or combination between the North and the Republic. The US Government has long been a supporter of sending work to the RoI, to the detriment of the UK.

I think you're thinking more of New York. There are more Americans with English heritage in the US than Irish.....they just don't go jumping about in green once a year.

Anyway....what the US thinks won't really make a difference to what happens in Ireland.....in a few decades it's going to be tricky.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 3.00pm)

 


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Matov Flag 12 Mar 19 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

TBF he did have loads of help from the Evening Standard, who simply hated Livingstone

Who did'nt hate Livingstone? The fact is that the Tories need somebody with character. And who has opposed May's Brexit stance. They tried a Remainer PM and it failed. It has to be a Leaver.

Now I am under no illusions about how duplicitous Johnson is and am willing to believe the worst of him but he can bring out the vote. The rest are characterless. Far too bland.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I know that.....but that doesn't stop the Catholics moving into protestant areas does it......The unionist demographics are slowly changing.....So in a few decades the Irish will find themselves with a majority for a united Ireland in NI.

Then Ireland will have to take it back because presumably the British aren't going to pay for a load of Irish......Mind you, nothing surprises me anymore.


Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 2.47pm)

I can't see into the future or fully substantiate what you are saying - wouldn't suggest you are wrong, may well be a question of perspective. There are 700,000 British people in the Republic (although many will have taken up Irish Citizenship since the Brexit vote). Not sure if majority Catholic NI necessarily means a United Ireland. There are a number of Catholics who prefer the current situation too. There are better services in NI and better and cheaper housing in NI than in the Republic. The dole is massively higher here - that is about it.
I would presume that there will be a United Ireland one day but would certainly presume that the UK would have to subsidise it for a substantial period of time. I would also presume the changeover would need to be very gradual. Not like partition.
What I do know about Unionism is that it has had political weakness over the years with all the splits - whilst Sinn Fein has not had that difficulty. Having moved on from Gerry Adams too - Sinn Fein are doing well. They want a United Ireland but are not speaking for the majority of Irish people. United Ireland and links to terrorism still mean Sinn Fein will not win an election here outright. However, them forming a coalition would not be beyond the realms of possibility.
As for Ireland current, I can't stand Varadkar and wouldn't exactly be the only one. He has heroic status amongst some though for recent referendums.
I'm British and will not be applying for Irish Citizenship although I have now lived in Ireland for over 20 years. In many ways, I can relate to Unionists as there is always a nationalist narrative in Ireland that I have to listen to everyday. This is probably a major issue for unionists and explains much of their narrative.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 12 Mar 19 3.10pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think you're thinking more of New York. There are more Americans with English heritage in the US than Irish.....they just don't go jumping about in green once a year.

Anyway....what the US thinks won't really make a difference to what happens in Ireland.....in a few decades it's going to be tricky.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 3.00pm)

No, the US.

Chicago is strongly Irish as an example and provides plenty of cash support to the Irish

The Government puts pressure on its international companies to invest in Ireland, I know that from experience.

 

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