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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Mar 19 9.16am
Originally posted by corkery Would posters here be willing to throw the DUP under the bus to gel a deal? Serious question. Right now I would say that we are being softened up for a delay in Brexit unless the EU makes a concession. I am annoyed that Mrs May is now saying "its my deal or no Brexit" she seems to have forgotten that by act of parliament we leave at the end of March. I think the mood of the public is just get on with it and I agree. They're plenty of other issues that need to be addressed this has to be put to bed. As for the DUP I don't think it's a valid question. Apart from the Tories the other parties have already indicated that they will vote against the deal. Unless the PM has the support of the DUP it will will never pass. A general election solves nothing either unless the Tories deselected all Remain candidates which isn't going to happen. The vast majority of MPs in the house are Remain which is out of step with the public. It only makes sense if Labour becomes a Remain party putting clear water between them and the Tories. However if that happened there is no guarantee that Corbyn would get enough votes. My hope is that we leave at the end of March. Mrs May steps down in the summer and we get a new Tory leader by the autumn. We then have a general election early next year when Brexit is on the back burner and we are back to more traditional politics. Edited by Badger11 (10 Mar 2019 9.17am) One more point
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Beckenham 10 Mar 19 9.16am

Originally posted by corkery

Would posters here be willing to throw the DUP under the bus to gel a deal? Serious question.

Right now I would say that we are being softened up for a delay in Brexit unless the EU makes a concession. I am annoyed that Mrs May is now saying "its my deal or no Brexit" she seems to have forgotten that by act of parliament we leave at the end of March.

I think the mood of the public is just get on with it and I agree. They're plenty of other issues that need to be addressed this has to be put to bed.

As for the DUP I don't think it's a valid question. Apart from the Tories the other parties have already indicated that they will vote against the deal. Unless the PM has the support of the DUP it will will never pass.

A general election solves nothing either unless the Tories deselected all Remain candidates which isn't going to happen. The vast majority of MPs in the house are Remain which is out of step with the public. It only makes sense if Labour becomes a Remain party putting clear water between them and the Tories. However if that happened there is no guarantee that Corbyn would get enough votes.

My hope is that we leave at the end of March. Mrs May steps down in the summer and we get a new Tory leader by the autumn. We then have a general election early next year when Brexit is on the back burner and we are back to more traditional politics.

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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Mar 19 10.03am
Some 87% of people who were too young to cast a ballot in the 2016 Brexit referendum but have since reached voting age would “definitely” take part if a second public vote were called, according to a new poll. And of the estimated 2 million new young voters, 74% would back remain. Out with the old, in with the new. Can't happen too quickly.
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Croydon 10 Mar 19 10.03am

Some 87% of people who were too young to cast a ballot in the 2016 Brexit referendum but have since reached voting age would “definitely” take part if a second public vote were called, according to a new poll. And of the estimated 2 million new young voters, 74% would back remain.

Out with the old, in with the new.

Can't happen too quickly.

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Mar 19 10.09am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Some 87% of people who were too young to cast a ballot in the 2016 Brexit referendum but have since reached voting age would “definitely” take part if a second public vote were called, according to a new poll. And of the estimated 2 million new young voters, 74% would back remain. Out with the old, in with the new. Can't happen too quickly. When I was 18 (1979) we had a GE I was still at school and voted for the old Liberal Party. At the next GE 4 years later I was in work paying taxes and voted Tory and have done ever since. My views did a 180 over 2-3 years. I wonder how many of those young people who were just old enough to vote Remain in 2016 would still vote that way today? There is an assumption that all those young people plus the young people who are now old enough to vote would all vote the same way. Maybe, maybe not. One more point
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Beckenham 10 Mar 19 10.09am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Out with the old, in with the new.

Can't happen too quickly.

When I was 18 (1979) we had a GE I was still at school and voted for the old Liberal Party. At the next GE 4 years later I was in work paying taxes and voted Tory and have done ever since. My views did a 180 over 2-3 years.

I wonder how many of those young people who were just old enough to vote Remain in 2016 would still vote that way today? There is an assumption that all those young people plus the young people who are now old enough to vote would all vote the same way. Maybe, maybe not.

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ChrisGC Wantage 10 Mar 19 10.45am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Some 87% of people who were too young to cast a ballot in the 2016 Brexit referendum but have since reached voting age would “definitely” take part if a second public vote were called, according to a new poll. And of the estimated 2 million new young voters, 74% would back remain. Out with the old, in with the new. Can't happen too quickly. Conversely, 69% of those in nappies last time would now protest against remain, and of that 69%, 83% would definitely demand a delay in enacting any second referendum until they were old enough to vote, by that time, 93% of the 74% you previously spoke of would want a third referendum because 77% of them had changed their minds. This is based on 23% of the available polls which agree with what I want and is, I can assure you, 100% bollocks. A bit like any arguements based on "what ifs".
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Wantage 10 Mar 19 10.45am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Out with the old, in with the new.

Can't happen too quickly.

Conversely, 69% of those in nappies last time would now protest against remain, and of that 69%, 83% would definitely demand a delay in enacting any second referendum until they were old enough to vote, by that time, 93% of the 74% you previously spoke of would want a third referendum because 77% of them had changed their minds.

This is based on 23% of the available polls which agree with what I want and is, I can assure you, 100% bollocks. A bit like any arguements based on "what ifs".

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Mar 19 11.25am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Conversely, 69% of those in nappies last time would now protest against remain, and of that 69%, 83% would definitely demand a delay in enacting any second referendum until they were old enough to vote, by that time, 93% of the 74% you previously spoke of would want a third referendum because 77% of them had changed their minds. This is based on 23% of the available polls which agree with what I want and is, I can assure you, 100% bollocks. A bit like any arguements based on "what ifs". LOL Why don't we just cull anyone over the age of 70 solves the EU issue, social housing (cos one old git has a 3 bed council house he wont give up) and the cost of caring for the old which the taxpayer will no longer have to bear. Alternately as the young don't vote we could have an old gits party in power their policies could be: 1. Free TV licence and the BBC to be renamed The good old days. 2. No loud music on public transport 3. All young people to be in doors by 8pm 4. All children to be forced to go and see grandparents. 5. No VAT on comfy furniture. 6. State pension to be doubled. 7. Proper haircuts for young people 8. Bring back National Service 9. All discussions about sex and gender to be banned because we don't understand it. What's binary? Gender fluid? O for heavens sake..... One more point
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Beckenham 10 Mar 19 11.25am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

This is based on 23% of the available polls which agree with what I want and is, I can assure you, 100% bollocks. A bit like any arguements based on "what ifs".

LOL

Why don't we just cull anyone over the age of 70 solves the EU issue, social housing (cos one old git has a 3 bed council house he wont give up) and the cost of caring for the old which the taxpayer will no longer have to bear.

Alternately as the young don't vote we could have an old gits party in power their policies could be:

1. Free TV licence and the BBC to be renamed The good old days.
2. No loud music on public transport
3. All young people to be in doors by 8pm
4. All children to be forced to go and see grandparents.
5. No VAT on comfy furniture.
6. State pension to be doubled.
7. Proper haircuts for young people
8. Bring back National Service
9. All discussions about sex and gender to be banned because we don't understand it. What's binary? Gender fluid? O for heavens sake.....

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ChrisGC Wantage 10 Mar 19 11.48am
Originally posted by Badger11 LOL Why don't we just cull anyone over the age of 70 solves the EU issue, social housing (cos one old git has a 3 bed council house he wont give up) and the cost of caring for the old which the taxpayer will no longer have to bear. Alternately as the young don't vote we could have an old gits party in power their policies could be: 1. Free TV licence and the BBC to be renamed The good old days. 2. No loud music on public transport 3. All young people to be in doors by 8pm 4. All children to be forced to go and see grandparents. 5. No VAT on comfy furniture. 6. State pension to be doubled. 7. Proper haircuts for young people 8. Bring back National Service 9. All discussions about sex and gender to be banned because we don't understand it. What's binary? Gender fluid? O for heavens sake..... I'm 33 and to be fair, I'd vote for all of the above.
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Wantage 10 Mar 19 11.48am

Originally posted by Badger11

LOL

Alternately as the young don't vote we could have an old gits party in power their policies could be:

I'm 33 and to be fair, I'd vote for all of the above.

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Spiderman Horsham 10 Mar 19 1.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Some 87% of people who were too young to cast a ballot in the 2016 Brexit referendum but have since reached voting age would “definitely” take part if a second public vote were called, according to a new poll. And of the estimated 2 million new young voters, 74% would back remain. Out with the old, in with the new. Can't happen too quickly. Who was the poll organised by? Won't happen, get over it
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Spiderman

Horsham 10 Mar 19 1.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Out with the old, in with the new.

Can't happen too quickly.

Who was the poll organised by? Won't happen, get over it

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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Mar 19 7.34am
It looks like Mrs May is listening to the siren voices telling her to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline, a completely pointless exercise. The EU is not in any mood to compromise and so we are at deadlock. The latest EU offer was a border dividing the Irish sea something that was rejected by the UK government over a year ago and proof they are not serious. What is the point of asking for an extension and all the difficulties that will bring if the EU will not budge. It's time for Mrs May to either tell the EU we are leaving without a deal or if she cannot bring herself to do this she should resign. I suspect that by the end of this week the can will have been kicked down the road yet again. At times like this I think of Cromwell's comments to a corrupt parliament which seem very apt at this time whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver. "It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!" One more point
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Beckenham 11 Mar 19 7.34am

It looks like Mrs May is listening to the siren voices telling her to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline, a completely pointless exercise.

The EU is not in any mood to compromise and so we are at deadlock. The latest EU offer was a border dividing the Irish sea something that was rejected by the UK government over a year ago and proof they are not serious.

What is the point of asking for an extension and all the difficulties that will bring if the EU will not budge. It's time for Mrs May to either tell the EU we are leaving without a deal or if she cannot bring herself to do this she should resign.

I suspect that by the end of this week the can will have been kicked down the road yet again.

At times like this I think of Cromwell's comments to a corrupt parliament which seem very apt at this time whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver.

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!"

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Mar 19 7.54am
Originally posted by Badger11 It looks like Mrs May is listening to the siren voices telling her to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline, a completely pointless exercise. The EU is not in any mood to compromise and so we are at deadlock. The latest EU offer was a border dividing the Irish sea something that was rejected by the UK government over a year ago and proof they are not serious. What is the point of asking for an extension and all the difficulties that will bring if the EU will not budge. It's time for Mrs May to either tell the EU we are leaving without a deal or if she cannot bring herself to do this she should resign. I suspect that by the end of this week the can will have been kicked down the road yet again. At times like this I think of Cromwell's comments to a corrupt parliament which seem very apt at this time whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver. "It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!" Are they currently allowed 2nd jobs? COYP
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Caterham 11 Mar 19 7.54am

Originally posted by Badger11

It looks like Mrs May is listening to the siren voices telling her to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline, a completely pointless exercise.

I suspect that by the end of this week the can will have been kicked down the road yet again.

At times like this I think of Cromwell's comments to a corrupt parliament which seem very apt at this time whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver.

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!"

Are they currently allowed 2nd jobs?

COYP

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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Mar 19 8.00am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Are they currently allowed 2nd jobs? LOL I think many have directorships and cosy little jobs on quangos to fatten the wallet. Actually I should apologise to all prostitutes at least they are honest about what they do. Edited by Badger11 (11 Mar 2019 8.12am) One more point
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Beckenham 11 Mar 19 8.00am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are they currently allowed 2nd jobs?

LOL

I think many have directorships and cosy little jobs on quangos to fatten the wallet. Actually I should apologise to all prostitutes at least they are honest about what they do.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Mar 2019 8.12am)

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DANGERCLOSE London 11 Mar 19 10.10am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol The only reason I mentioned it is because brexiters on this forum are posting material originating from an organisation run by Aaron Banks, I think every one should be aware of that. I'm sure Mr Putin would be very happy they are spreading his messages [Tweet Link]
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London 11 Mar 19 10.10am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The only reason I mentioned it is because brexiters on this forum are posting material originating from an organisation run by Aaron Banks, I think every one should be aware of that.

I'm sure Mr Putin would be very happy they are spreading his messages

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Mar 19 10.33am
Originally posted by Badger11 It looks like Mrs May is listening to the siren voices telling her to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline, a completely pointless exercise. The EU is not in any mood to compromise and so we are at deadlock. The latest EU offer was a border dividing the Irish sea something that was rejected by the UK government over a year ago and proof they are not serious. What is the point of asking for an extension and all the difficulties that will bring if the EU will not budge. It's time for Mrs May to either tell the EU we are leaving without a deal or if she cannot bring herself to do this she should resign. I suspect that by the end of this week the can will have been kicked down the road yet again. At times like this I think of Cromwell's comments to a corrupt parliament which seem very apt at this time whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver. "It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!" Of course, he didn't actually say the above, Richard Harris did However the point is understood And of course we know what happened next, the power vacuum made Oliver what our Winston called a 'Military Dictator'.
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Mapletree

Croydon 11 Mar 19 10.33am

Originally posted by Badger11

It looks like Mrs May is listening to the siren voices telling her to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline, a completely pointless exercise.

I suspect that by the end of this week the can will have been kicked down the road yet again.

At times like this I think of Cromwell's comments to a corrupt parliament which seem very apt at this time whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver.

In the name of God, go!"

Of course, he didn't actually say the above, Richard Harris did

However the point is understood

And of course we know what happened next, the power vacuum made Oliver what our Winston called a 'Military Dictator'.

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