I get that, but ultimately, Israel is on our team in the Global chess game.

I don't like cosying up to Zionists any more than you do. The possibility of Palestinian refugees is I'm afraid just a taste of the future if we don't ignore outdated ideas about asylum and protect our nations from death by immigrant.

Perhaps, it's just one opinion. It's not going to lead to the collapse of Israel. Perhaps the collapse of Netanyahu government. Let's face reality - Israel is here to stay whether you or I, or Jeremy Corbyn likes it.

What will end Israel? Perhaps twenty years of much better training and defence procurement by neighbouring countries. Even then, as has already been demonstrated - the Israeli military are no idiots and would likely win. So I guess we'll just have to put up with it.

Red and Blue Army!

Hama are terrorists, They deserve what they get.
But murdering civilians and babies, by a country's military force is barbaric.
We've had Inquiry's into military behaviour Gulf in war actions, Afghanistan, and The Troubles, where civilians are killed.
So why should Israel's military be except from accountability ?

And any ceasefire , not until next week at the earliest. Plenty of time for some more killing and displacement.

I disengage, I turn the page.

I'm not so sure about that longer term....different weapon tech changes the game somewhat.

Also, the Israel of today is a pozzed nation much more than it was. The men who went door to door killing Arabs in 47 are still there and doing it today but nowhere in the numbers compared to the past.

The Arabs however are very much not pozzed, have far greater numbers and populations with axes to grind....Unfortunately we are...to a lesser extent....a part of what's gone on in their eyes.

Also, Israel has the problem that although its billionaires have big brother currently underwraps the changing demographics in America (which those same billionaires funded) means that eventually that gets called into question.

Also the Jews with influence in the US are much more liberal than the right in Israel....who also due to demographics are destined to stay in power in Israel for the foreseeable future. To be frank they can't stand each other and if it wasn't for the ethnic ancestry(oh the irony) and pathological paranoid make up they would drop each other like a stone.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2024 9.33am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The geography of the two conflicts is totally different and therefore the warfare is different. Not pleasant in either case but the Ukraine/Russia war is more conventional with (mainly) two armies opposing each other. Gaza is the polar opposite with the consequences we are witnessing. I don't like it either but nothing we say either as individuals, groups, or parliaments is going to change the mindset of either side.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

The population density of Gaza is far higher than Ukraine, Russia or the disputed regions around Crimea, therefore the casualty rate logically would likely be greater on a 'per bomb' basis. Ukraine civilians have been allowed sanctuary in neighbouring countries and so civilian deaths are minimised(?). What we are seeing in Gaza is that neighbouring countries are not opening their doors. Egypt has a border with Gaza but as others have pointed out on this forum, they don't want an influx of potentially radical people who are diametrically opposed to the ruling position in Egypt. In addition they don't want to be seen as helping Israel by clearing Gaza for them. The geography, both physical and political is different.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.