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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 22 1.29pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You could say exactly the same about our own Government who continuously spunk money on obviously unworkable ideas and are equally detached from the issues they legislate on - we're not exactly seeing an improvement in policy-making since leaving. The other question is then whether avoiding one set of sh*t policy makers so we can trust our own set of sh*t policy makers is worth shrinking the economy by 4% and missing out on tens of billions a year in tax revenue. I'm curious, who would you like to be in charge if not the Labour party?
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Dec 22 1.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm curious, who would you like to be in charge if not the Labour party? None of the current parties particularly have my support - the whole system needs tearing up and a move to PR which should then help break away from this s***show of a 2-party system where most people votes count for nothing. We barely live in a democracy.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 21 Dec 22 1.45pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You could say exactly the same about our own Government who continuously spunk money on obviously unworkable ideas and are equally detached from the issues they legislate on - we're not exactly seeing an improvement in policy-making since leaving. The other question is then whether avoiding one set of sh*t policy makers so we can trust our own set of sh*t policy makers is worth shrinking the economy by 4% and missing out on tens of billions a year in tax revenue. I think the point is that it is easier to change the direction of travel if we only have to vote in or out our own elected MPs. Another layer of decision makers far removed from the UK makes things more difficult, particularly when two dozen other countries may think different things.
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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 22 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
None of the current parties particularly have my support - the whole system needs tearing up and a move to PR which should then help break away from this s***show of a 2-party system where most people votes count for nothing. We barely live in a democracy. I get that, I would agree that either main party serves their base at all. Still, isn't there anyone political you can think of that you could get behind? Mind you, to be honest I have difficulty thinking of that myself.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Dec 22 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
None of the current parties particularly have my support - the whole system needs tearing up and a move to PR which should then help break away from this s***show of a 2-party system where most people votes count for nothing. We barely live in a democracy. I've thought for some time, as have many experts, that the UK would benefit from PR. In the current system it's quite easy to have the most amount of votes but the least amount of seats. That's not right. I used to believe in the Westminster model, not any more. Its positive is supposed to be strong government. I'm not seeing that either. I wouldn't want the Irish system, however, just another con. If you've several hours, I'll tell you why. Most Irish people don't understand the system, and frankly I don't blame them.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Dec 22 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I get that, I would agree that either main party serves their base at all. Still, isn't there anyone political you can think of that you could get behind? Mind you, to be honest I have difficulty thinking of that myself. I’d struggle to name anyone of the current lot - I guess when your position is broadly ‘this system doesn’t work’ it’s hard to find anyone within said system that you can get behind. They’re all playing a game that I think is broken.
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Stirlingsays 21 Dec 22 2.08pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I’d struggle to name anyone of the current lot - I guess when your position is broadly ‘this system doesn’t work’ it’s hard to find anyone within said system that you can get behind. They’re all playing a game that I think is broken. Fair enough, I think I probably agree with you.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Dec 22 2.47pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I've thought for some time, as have many experts, that the UK would benefit from PR. In the current system it's quite easy to have the most amount of votes but the least amount of seats. That's not right. I used to believe in the Westminster model, not any more. Its positive is supposed to be strong government. I'm not seeing that either. I wouldn't want the Irish system, however, just another con. If you've several hours, I'll tell you why. Most Irish people don't understand the system, and frankly I don't blame them. Yep, I think it's very telling that basically every other Western country opts for PR. It's also very easy to have an absolute majority to run the country for X years despite only ~35% of the electorate voting for you, which is the case in MOST of our elections.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Dec 22 2.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I think the point is that it is easier to change the direction of travel if we only have to vote in or out our own elected MPs. Another layer of decision makers far removed from the UK makes things more difficult, particularly when two dozen other countries may think different things. You say that, but we're now onto a 3rd Prime Minister since any of us were given a vote. It's also very hard to change the direction of travel when the only two viable parties are barely distinguishable in so many ways. The parties also can (and far too often do) deselect MPs and candidates, even when popular amongst their constituents. It's barely democracy.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Dec 22 2.56pm | |
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PR gets you to the parliament in Italy or Ireland. constant Rainbow coalitions , a talking shop. Where nothing ever gets achieved. Its like sitting on a bus with a dozen drivers, all bickering over who has the keys.
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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Dec 22 3.57pm | |
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If Starmer had not made such a gaffe supporting Johnson's rubbish deal and brexit itself, Labour would be out of sight now. Now the population are feeling the brexit pinch in their pay, their bills, they can see the economic damage to their country. Leavers talking drivel about opportunities, bumpy roads to nowhere, rubbish trade deals kick the can down the road in desperation. The silence from the tories is deafening, nothing they have done has been any good and brexit is the worst. The impact across the board, of brexit, is huge more than most even contemplated.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Dec 22 3.16pm | |
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ONS revised down its UK growth estimates for the first half of 2022: 0.6% in Q1, 0.1% Q2. It means GDP still 0.8% below pre-pandemic level, leaving UK only G7 economy with output still below pre-Covid level. US GDP is 4.3% above its 2019 level, Eurozone 2.2% above.
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