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| Hoof Hearted 08 Dec 14 5.22pm | |
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 The White Horse  08 Dec 14 5.34pm |
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Post up the link as I don't believe the figures. Most of Bristol East is an area called Easton, which is very heavily populated with Asians. Funny how you didn't say that when Stuk posted up the Bradford figures
I'll check out this link and if I'm wrong I'll apologise obviously. EDIT: There was a boundary change just before 2010, so the area has been "watered down" from what it was pre 2010 by the addition of affluent areas that were attached to Kingswood (Tory controlled). Nevertheless I apologise to you. Edited by Hoof Hearted (08 Dec 2014 5.19pm) No apology necessary, not least because Easton is now in the Bristol West Constituency.
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| The White Horse 08 Dec 14 5.47pm |
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Hoof, I'll keep it simple (upon your request): Given Bristol West contains at least 1 ward heavily populated by Asians, why did UKIP get just 1.2% of the vote there in 2010? Even if everyone who wasn't white refused to vote UKIP, the highest possible fraction of white voters voting UKIP was 1 in 70.
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 08 Dec 14 5.50pm |
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Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.47pm
Hoof, I'll keep it simple (upon your request): Given Bristol West contains at least 1 ward heavily populated by Asians, why did UKIP get just 1.2% of the vote there in 2010? Even if everyone who wasn't white refused to vote UKIP, the highest possible fraction of white voters voting UKIP was 1 in 70.
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| The White Horse 08 Dec 14 6.17pm |
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Quote Seth at 08 Dec 2014 5.50pm
Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.47pm
Hoof, I'll keep it simple (upon your request): Given Bristol West contains at least 1 ward heavily populated by Asians, why did UKIP get just 1.2% of the vote there in 2010? Even if everyone who wasn't white refused to vote UKIP, the highest possible fraction of white voters voting UKIP was 1 in 70. I posted a link yesterday showing that ukip gets most support in areas with least immigration. It's fear, not experience which is feeding the ukip monster. I think that was based on the same data as the picture/map posted earlier in the thread highlighting the same phenomenon. I'd be interested to see a map comparing unemployment and immigration. And unemployment and UKIP support.
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| Stuk Top half 08 Dec 14 9.01pm |
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It might, it might not. Would you be happy if I used Purley for every example of Greater London? We have the right data, let's just use that. I don't know what it is and isn't possible for hoof to answer, but I find those multi-quote posts very awkward to reply to too. And much harder to keep track of the thread. If I'd had the correct data to begin with, I would have used that. I wasn't aware that census data was subdivided by constituency. Greater London at least contains Purley, so it has some value as a comparison. Belgium is definitely not in Greator London and there's no reason to think the inhabitants of Greater London will be similar demographically. Just as you find the multi quote awkward, I find the endless normaly quotes unhelpful when they get beyond about 3/4 posts. Agree to disagree, I suppose. I didn't mean it to come across like you should've used that to start with, a "now" in front of my line would've been more clear. I had no idea it was broken into constituencies either, just read the part about Bradford and thought that doesn't look right and a quick Google search found that link. The Belgium remark was just embellishing that you hadn't compared like for like, albeit close. Belgium is close on a global scale but it's more to do with the fact it started with B.
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| legaleagle 08 Dec 14 9.04pm |
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Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.34pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Dec 2014 5.12pm
Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.10pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Dec 2014 5.06pm
Post up the link as I don't believe the figures. Most of Bristol East is an area called Easton, which is very heavily populated with Asians. Funny how you didn't say that when Stuk posted up the Bradford figures
I'll check out this link and if I'm wrong I'll apologise obviously. EDIT: There was a boundary change just before 2010, so the area has been "watered down" from what it was pre 2010 by the addition of affluent areas that were attached to Kingswood (Tory controlled). Nevertheless I apologise to you. Edited by Hoof Hearted (08 Dec 2014 5.19pm) No apology necessary, not least because Easton is now in the Bristol West Constituency.
People born in other EU countries accounted for 8.2% of the total population.
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| Stuk Top half 08 Dec 14 9.04pm |
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Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.07pm
Just as you find the multi quote awkward, I find the endless normaly quotes unhelpful when they get beyond about 3/4 posts. Agree to disagree, I suppose.
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| TUX redhill 08 Dec 14 9.32pm |
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Quote Seth at 08 Dec 2014 5.50pm
Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.47pm
Hoof, I'll keep it simple (upon your request): Given Bristol West contains at least 1 ward heavily populated by Asians, why did UKIP get just 1.2% of the vote there in 2010? Even if everyone who wasn't white refused to vote UKIP, the highest possible fraction of white voters voting UKIP was 1 in 70.
Fear of their children being marginalised at school? Fear of their children not finding employment post-education? The list goes on and on as we all know. The bottom line is we cannot cope with more people unless we re-develop massively. This isn't going to happen therefore stop people coming in. The Inn is full.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 09 Dec 14 12.50am |
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Quote TUX at 08 Dec 2014 9.32pm
Quote Seth at 08 Dec 2014 5.50pm
Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.47pm
Hoof, I'll keep it simple (upon your request): Given Bristol West contains at least 1 ward heavily populated by Asians, why did UKIP get just 1.2% of the vote there in 2010? Even if everyone who wasn't white refused to vote UKIP, the highest possible fraction of white voters voting UKIP was 1 in 70.
Fear of their children being marginalised at school? Fear of their children not finding employment post-education? The list goes on and on as we all know. The bottom line is we cannot cope with more people unless we re-develop massively. This isn't going to happen therefore stop people coming in. The Inn is full. I'm not saying migration shouldn't be controlled, and that sufficient resources shouldn't be put into areas of high immigration. But the fact is that incomers contribute far more than they take out of the system and we need them to help run our country. The inn is not "full". It just needs a sensible entry and exit policy and for its rich landlords to put adequate funds into providing basic services for its employees. We don't want everyone sleeping in the stable with the donkeys and mangers do we?
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 14 3.39am |
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Quote Seth at 09 Dec 2014 12.50am
Quote TUX at 08 Dec 2014 9.32pm
Quote Seth at 08 Dec 2014 5.50pm
Quote The White Horse at 08 Dec 2014 5.47pm
Hoof, I'll keep it simple (upon your request): Given Bristol West contains at least 1 ward heavily populated by Asians, why did UKIP get just 1.2% of the vote there in 2010? Even if everyone who wasn't white refused to vote UKIP, the highest possible fraction of white voters voting UKIP was 1 in 70.
Fear of their children being marginalised at school? Fear of their children not finding employment post-education? The list goes on and on as we all know. The bottom line is we cannot cope with more people unless we re-develop massively. This isn't going to happen therefore stop people coming in. The Inn is full. I'm not saying migration shouldn't be controlled, and that sufficient resources shouldn't be put into areas of high immigration. But the fact is that incomers contribute far more than they take out of the system and we need them to help run our country. The inn is not "full". It just needs a sensible entry and exit policy and for its rich landlords to put adequate funds into providing basic services for its employees. We don't want everyone sleeping in the stable with the donkeys and mangers do we? What about the effect mass migration has on areas and communities where there is a high transient immigrant population? Your liberal sentiments would go out the window if you had to live in such a place, where community is destroyed, public services stretched to the limit, mattresses left outside in heaps of rubbish and little care given to an area. Try living in West Croydon instead of whichever nice, safe suburban enclave you inhabit before given us your sermons on how people should live. It's patronising.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Dec 14 7.39am |
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Oh dear.
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