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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 27 Feb 19 5.10pm
This thread is getting quite stale. Has nobody picked up on the mess the Government has made concerning Alberto Costa's amendment, and the cluster f*** that followed? Has nobody mnoticed JRM and his cronies are shuffling behind May? (That is to give her their vote rather than stab her in the back.) Edited by pefwin (27 Feb 2019 5.12pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 27 Feb 19 5.10pm

This thread is getting quite stale.

Has nobody picked up on the mess the Government has made concerning Alberto Costa's amendment, and the cluster f*** that followed?

Has nobody mnoticed JRM and his cronies are shuffling behind May? (That is to give her their vote rather than stab her in the back.)

Edited by pefwin (27 Feb 2019 5.12pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Feb 19 5.16pm
Originally posted by cryrst So trying to advocate rioting as a way to get your point across or because things havent gone your way is correct then? Hasnt really gone too well in the middle east with their 'arab spring' and most of the tottenham and more rioters have done or doing a stretch. Pretty stupid idea really. Nope. What I was saying doesn't necessarily mean rioting or violence, it just means doing something, anything other than sitting on your arse complaining about it, i.e. blowing hot air. If you actually believe that liberty/democracy etc. etc. was at stake then do something, anything. Write to your MP. Mobilise others. Join demonstrations. Obviously the far end of that scale is what Matov is suggesting, and not something I condone in these circumstances as I don't think the outcome is anywhere near as apocalyptic as he is suggesting but I respect the total commitment of his approach. Better than shouting into an empty well. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 27 Feb 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So trying to advocate rioting as a way to get your point across or because things havent gone your way is correct then?
Hasnt really gone too well in the middle east with their 'arab spring' and most of the tottenham and more rioters have done or doing a stretch.
Pretty stupid idea really.

Nope.

What I was saying doesn't necessarily mean rioting or violence, it just means doing something, anything other than sitting on your arse complaining about it, i.e. blowing hot air.

If you actually believe that liberty/democracy etc. etc. was at stake then do something, anything. Write to your MP. Mobilise others. Join demonstrations. Obviously the far end of that scale is what Matov is suggesting, and not something I condone in these circumstances as I don't think the outcome is anywhere near as apocalyptic as he is suggesting but I respect the total commitment of his approach.

Better than shouting into an empty well.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Feb 19 5.20pm
Originally posted by Matov But things did go my way. I abided by the democratic process. I went along and voted Leave on June 23rd in absolute good faith that the result would be acted upon. I, along with over 17 million other people, played by the rules. What other option is open to us? Or does democracy only matter when you get the result that you want? Surely we have a duty to protect democracy? Is that not what we are told around the 11th of November every year? That we should make the effort to vote because people died protecting that right? This is a genuine potential tipping point in our countries history. I had some Remain voting family over for dinner last night. They all made the point that the Leave vote needed respecting because that won. That is how democracy works. Or have I missed some crucial part here? I think that election voting and referendum voting are two very different things when it comes to talking about 'rights to vote' and the reasons behind them. I agree with the leave vote needing to be respected. Some don't, and I can't agree with that viewpoint. I'm pretty sure we will leave, but it will be a half baked brexit. As Stirling says, got to pick your battles on this one I'm afraid otherwise you'll be the only one attempting to storm parliament in May – watch out for the tasers. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 27 Feb 19 5.20pm

Originally posted by Matov

But things did go my way. I abided by the democratic process. I went along and voted Leave on June 23rd in absolute good faith that the result would be acted upon. I, along with over 17 million other people, played by the rules.

What other option is open to us? Or does democracy only matter when you get the result that you want? Surely we have a duty to protect democracy? Is that not what we are told around the 11th of November every year? That we should make the effort to vote because people died protecting that right?

This is a genuine potential tipping point in our countries history. I had some Remain voting family over for dinner last night. They all made the point that the Leave vote needed respecting because that won. That is how democracy works.

Or have I missed some crucial part here?

I think that election voting and referendum voting are two very different things when it comes to talking about 'rights to vote' and the reasons behind them.

I agree with the leave vote needing to be respected. Some don't, and I can't agree with that viewpoint.

I'm pretty sure we will leave, but it will be a half baked brexit. As Stirling says, got to pick your battles on this one I'm afraid otherwise you'll be the only one attempting to storm parliament in May – watch out for the tasers.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Midlands Eagle 27 Feb 19 5.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays most people are normies who don't use social media politically. I certainly don't. My main use of social media is to discuss the merits of various gins but that's by the by
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

most people are normies who don't use social media politically.

I certainly don't. My main use of social media is to discuss the merits of various gins but that's by the by

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Stirlingsays 27 Feb 19 5.46pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I think that election voting and referendum voting are two very different things when it comes to talking about 'rights to vote' and the reasons behind them. I agree with the leave vote needing to be respected. Some don't, and I can't agree with that viewpoint. I'm pretty sure we will leave, but it will be a half baked brexit. As Stirling says, got to pick your battles on this one I'm afraid otherwise you'll be the only one attempting to storm parliament in May – watch out for the tasers. At the moment I think May's deal will most likely happen.....it is of course a terrible deal negotiated by a terrible and neutered team. But obviously I could be wrong. If Brexit happens then what occurs afterwards will be very interesting politically.....would more Labour and Tory Mps join this breakaway group?......With any luck we could lose Ken Clarke....I suppose that's too much to hope for. If it doesn't happen then apart from everything else I think it would see the Tories break up. Very interesting. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 5.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Feb 19 5.46pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I think that election voting and referendum voting are two very different things when it comes to talking about 'rights to vote' and the reasons behind them.

I agree with the leave vote needing to be respected. Some don't, and I can't agree with that viewpoint.

At the moment I think May's deal will most likely happen.....it is of course a terrible deal negotiated by a terrible and neutered team.

But obviously I could be wrong.

If Brexit happens then what occurs afterwards will be very interesting politically.....would more Labour and Tory Mps join this breakaway group?......With any luck we could lose Ken Clarke....I suppose that's too much to hope for.

If it doesn't happen then apart from everything else I think it would see the Tories break up.

Very interesting.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 5.48pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Feb 19 5.52pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I certainly don't. My main use of social media is to discuss the merits of various gins but that's by the by Yep, unless the economy really tanks.....most people just aren't that engaged. In terms of getting things done in life during your productive years that makes total sense. Even if what is going on within the bedrock of society is very corrosive for future generations....and very detectable if you look beyond the MSM. Still....while there are biscuits to be eaten.... Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 5.58pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Feb 19 5.52pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I certainly don't. My main use of social media is to discuss the merits of various gins but that's by the by

Yep, unless the economy really tanks.....most people just aren't that engaged.

In terms of getting things done in life during your productive years that makes total sense. Even if what is going on within the bedrock of society is very corrosive for future generations....and very detectable if you look beyond the MSM.

Still....while there are biscuits to be eaten....

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 5.58pm)

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dannyboy1978 28 Feb 19 7.26am
Today's good news. [Link]
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28 Feb 19 7.26am

Today's good news.
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Midlands Eagle 28 Feb 19 8.20am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Today's good news. [Link] Come on now. You know that positive Brexit news isn't allowed here
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28 Feb 19 8.20am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Today's good news.
[Link]

Come on now. You know that positive Brexit news isn't allowed here

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Pussay Patrol 28 Feb 19 8.48am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Come on now. You know that positive Brexit news isn't allowed here From what I gather it seems some hedge funds or long term bonds might perform well over the long-term. Not sure if that's a reason to pop the corks. Personally I don't regard it good news where people at the bottom have to make sacrifices and the beneficiaries are city hedge funds, sounds like brexit hardship increasing the wealth gap ever wider Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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28 Feb 19 8.48am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Come on now. You know that positive Brexit news isn't allowed here

From what I gather it seems some hedge funds or long term bonds might perform well over the long-term. Not sure if that's a reason to pop the corks.

Personally I don't regard it good news where people at the bottom have to make sacrifices and the beneficiaries are city hedge funds, sounds like brexit hardship increasing the wealth gap ever wider

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Feb 19 9.31am
Originally posted by Matov But things did go my way. I abided by the democratic process. I went along and voted Leave on June 23rd in absolute good faith that the result would be acted upon. I, along with over 17 million other people, played by the rules. What other option is open to us? Or does democracy only matter when you get the result that you want? Surely we have a duty to protect democracy? Is that not what we are told around the 11th of November every year? That we should make the effort to vote because people died protecting that right? This is a genuine potential tipping point in our countries history. I had some Remain voting family over for dinner last night. They all made the point that the Leave vote needed respecting because that won. That is how democracy works. Or have I missed some crucial part here? I voted remain and agree that brexit has to happen. Its how we brexit which is best for the majority which is why its taking time. Patience is needed.
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The garden of England 28 Feb 19 9.31am

Originally posted by Matov

Or have I missed some crucial part here?

I voted remain and agree that brexit has to happen.
Its how we brexit which is best for the majority which is why its taking time.
Patience is needed.

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 28 Feb 19 10.57am
Originally posted by cryrst I voted remain and agree that brexit has to happen. Its how we brexit which is best for the majority which is why its taking time. Patience is needed. Agree with you here. The problem is that people voted out for different reasons and lots wont be happy with the agreed version of out. All anyone can agree on is that May's version is no good. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 28 Feb 19 10.57am

Originally posted by cryrst

I voted remain and agree that brexit has to happen.
Its how we brexit which is best for the majority which is why its taking time.
Patience is needed.

Agree with you here. The problem is that people voted out for different reasons and lots wont be happy with the agreed version of out. All anyone can agree on is that May's version is no good.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Pussay Patrol 28 Feb 19 11.58am
Originally posted by topcat Agree with you here. The problem is that people voted out for different reasons and lots wont be happy with the agreed version of out. All anyone can agree on is that May's version is no good. Doesn't really matter though does it? All leavers want is to leave, irrespective of whether it's a good deal or not. Leave in whichever form is a bad deal so let's just leave and take our medicine Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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28 Feb 19 11.58am

Originally posted by topcat

Agree with you here. The problem is that people voted out for different reasons and lots wont be happy with the agreed version of out. All anyone can agree on is that May's version is no good.

Doesn't really matter though does it? All leavers want is to leave, irrespective of whether it's a good deal or not. Leave in whichever form is a bad deal so let's just leave and take our medicine

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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