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 Stirlingsays  11 May 22 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by W12
While we are on the subject of legislation here are a few gems that have either been proposed, passed or are in the works as it stands: 1. Covert Human Intelligence (Criminal Conduct) Act - these will legalise government agencies to commit crime with no limitations on what type of crime and is not restricted even to security services 2. Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill - effectively removing the right to protest 3. Online Safety bill - will criminalise "misinformation" 4. Counter State Threats Bill - will criminalise whistleblowers 5. Human Rights Act Reform Bill - will remove individual rights in favour of the "common good" 6. Living with COVID plan - some COVID laws made permanent 7. WHO pandemic treaty - will allow the WHO to set criteria and control of declaration of any new pandemic and centrally control he response to it in terms of mandates, laws etc All the above include deliberately vague language that is entirely at the discretion of government agencies to interpret. There is no democracy. Fully agree. Democracy is largely a myth....choice is deliberately narrowed to what the system wants there to be choice between. The Brexit referendum for example was a situation where the public where given a vote on a topic that neither mainstream parties wanted to offer them and were all against......despite it being a highly popular issue amongst the public for decades. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2022 1.43pm)
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BlueJay  UK 11 May 22 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by W12
While we are on the subject of legislation here are a few gems that have either been proposed, passed or are in the works as it stands: 1. Covert Human Intelligence (Criminal Conduct) Act - these will legalise government agencies to commit crime with no limitations on what type of crime and is not restricted even to security services 2. Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill - effectively removing the right to protest 3. Online Safety bill - will criminalise "misinformation" 4. Counter State Threats Bill - will criminalise whistleblowers 5. Human Rights Act Reform Bill - will remove individual rights in favour of the "common good" 6. Living with COVID plan - some COVID laws made permanent 7. WHO pandemic treaty - will allow the WHO to set criteria and control of declaration of any new pandemic and centrally control he response to it in terms of mandates, laws etc All the above include deliberately vague language that is entirely at the discretion of government agencies to interpret. There is no democracy. I agree with you on much of this. Much of whatever 'culture war' is going is build around this really, as they pit left against right when bringing in restrictions to make one artificially sculpted clan think that they've got one other on their imagined opposites. The end game of course is just to strip away more and more rights from all people, so that they never bothersome to the power structures and those with 'actual' say and influence.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 11 May 22 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Democracy is largely a myth....choice is deliberately narrowed to what the system wants there to be choice between. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2022 1.43pm) 99% of the irish public did not want WarPlanes using Shannon airport as a stop-over. How many Brits supported Tony Bliar going into Iraq ? democracy ? yeah, right. Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 May 2022 3.51pm)
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| W12 11 May 22 4.42pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
99% of the irish public did not want WarPlanes using Shannon airport as a stop-over. How many Brits supported Tony Bliar going into Iraq ? democracy ? yeah, right. Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 May 2022 3.51pm) I supported the Iraq war and voted for Blair in 1997 to my eternal shame. I was clearly wrong on both and can offer no excuse for that. Edited by W12 (11 May 2022 4.42pm)
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 22 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I supported the Iraq war and voted for Blair in 1997 to my eternal shame. I was clearly wrong on both and can offer no excuse for that. Edited by W12 (11 May 2022 4.42pm) To my shame I also supported the Iraq war, I was a normie who listened to media and government.....though media was prepared to present alternative arguments then. I don't think I voted Blair back in 97, I doubt I did.....I was working mad hours at the time and politics didn't mean a fig to me.
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| Matov 11 May 22 6.20pm |
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Another who supported the invasion in 2003, based on what I believed about Saddam being this madman with WMD. How terribly wrong I was. But I have never voted Labour. However, there is nothing wrong with having done so and then coming to regret it. That is the point of evolving/maturing politically.
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| BlueJay UK 11 May 22 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I supported the Iraq war and voted for Blair in 1997 to my eternal shame. I was clearly wrong on both and can offer no excuse for that. Edited by W12 (11 May 2022 4.42pm) I didn't, because it made very little sense even at the time and we were clearly 'liberating' no-one. Few wars in our lifetime have been justifiable or necessary really. As for your view, yes, you've gone from essentially excusing the bombardment and invasion of one group of people to doing the same with another. What a transformation.
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| W12 11 May 22 9.49pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I didn't, because it made very little sense even at the time and we were clearly 'liberating' no-one. Few wars in our lifetime have been justifiable or necessary really. As for your view, yes, you've gone from essentially excusing the bombardment and invasion of one group of people to doing the same with another. What a transformation. I do find it odd that you could see through the events that lead up to Iraq but don’t seem to want to consider that the people responsible for that might be engineering something equally underhand in Iraq. Out of curiosity (and without trying to send this thread off at a tangent) do you buy the official version of events that surrounds 9/11?
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| Grumbles 11 May 22 10.04pm |
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I did not support the 2nd gulf war. It always smacked of US unfinished business, e.g. USS Stark, etc. and real fake news as in the WMD dossier. It was the type of stuff that started the more gullible being taken in by fake news from dubious sources.
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| BlueJay UK 11 May 22 10.28pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I do find it odd that you could see through the events that lead up to Iraq but don’t seem to want to consider that the people responsible for that might be engineering something equally underhand in Iraq. Out of curiosity (and without trying to send this thread off at a tangent) do you buy the official version of events that surrounds 9/11? Well I certainly don't believe that the towers were detonated or anything like that. I very much doubt there was a widespread conspiracy around it as it would've come out by now, and for the longest time Saudi links were hushed up basically because it was an inconvenient truth. I'd say that the darkest positive explanation I could ever countenance was that to a certain extent a blind eye was turned to an attack strategy that was not unlikely to come about, as one happening worked to the advantage of some. More likely complete incompetence though in my view which is rife in most governments.
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| W12 11 May 22 10.37pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Well I certainly don't believe that the towers were detonated or anything like that. I very much doubt there was a widespread conspiracy around it as it would've come out by now, and for the longest time Saudi links were hushed up basically because it was an inconvenient truth. I'd say that the darkest positive explanation I could ever countenance was that to a certain extent a blind eye was turned to an attack strategy that was not unlikely to come about, as one happening worked to the advantage of some. More likely complete incompetence though in my view which is rife in most governments. Fair enough, did you ever look deeper as to an explanation for what happened to building 7 or why there was apparently no airplane wreckage at the pentagon site. I only say this because I had not given it a thought until about a year ago and then wondered why. I would say it’s fascinating even if you are very sceptical.
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| W12 11 May 22 10.41pm | |
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By the way, I’ve no idea what actually transpired on 9/11 but from what I see the official explanation is literally laughable.
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