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Rubin 09 Jun 16 7.35am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And the spin and lies continue..... The desperation is not from remain on this one. She is elbowing Leave not because of the reason you state above but because of the lie that '£350 million would be saved for the NHS' At least she had the balls. Not a good day for Brexit. Where as the remain argument is based on conjecture and worse than worst case scenario predictions with lies thrown in on top. As I said, why's she only just chosen to make a 'dramatic' change now? Why not do it a couple of months ago? Why alert the media? Someone who genuinely believed in leaving isn't going to switch sides over this.
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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 09 Jun 16 7.45am | |
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Those that think leaving the EU will solve their migrant crisis are living in cloud cuckoo land, it's not. Those that really want to get to the UK will still do so via clandestine methods, it hasn't worked in Southern Italy, or Greece, it wont work in the UK for all the same reasons. Whilst you have unscrupulous people smugglers it will always be a problem.
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blackpalacefan 09 Jun 16 7.55am | |
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Originally posted by Sg Bilko
Those that think leaving the EU will solve their migrant crisis are living in cloud cuckoo land, it's not. Those that really want to get to the UK will still do so via clandestine methods, it hasn't worked in Southern Italy, or Greece, it wont work in the UK for all the same reasons. Whilst you have unscrupulous people smugglers it will always be a problem. No need the government will allow free movement no matter the result
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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 09 Jun 16 8.02am | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
I'm pretty sure that someone intelligent enough to become a doctor would have been aware of the fact that it's £350m a week before rebates before now. Quite clearly a publicity stunt, again, showing the desperation of remain. I think you'll find its more like £180m pw, which is reduced with the subsidies that come back. If the UK leaves the EU, for the UK to have EUU status it will cost more than £180m pw ask Norway, and Switzerland, and wont happen over night.
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Rubin 09 Jun 16 8.21am | |
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Originally posted by Sg Bilko
I think you'll find its more like £180m pw, which is reduced with the subsidies that come back. If the UK leaves the EU, for the UK to have EUU status it will cost more than £180m pw ask Norway, and Switzerland, and wont happen over night. I know, that's why I said 'before rebates/subsidies'. Theoretically the £350m figure isn't a lie, as the subsidies we get have to be spent in certain areas. If we weren't paying it to the EU before getting it back, then we could choose to spend all of it on a new hospital.
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npn Crowborough 09 Jun 16 9.14am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
So it is official now that BREXIT campaign claims regarding NHS ARE lies. Sarah Wollaston MP decides to swap sides and join REMAIN: And her background? Former GP and now chairman of Health Select Committee. (Which begs the question why on earth she isn't Health Secretary) Oddly, she's done exactly what I've done in reverse - watched the lies and exaggerations and decided they can't trust anything they say (which is what I did with the Remainiacs, and jumped over to Leave)
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johnfirewall 09 Jun 16 9.19am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
With so much of our infrastructure belonging to foreign companies , will we be able to make them British again if we leave? Surely that is the patriotic way? Well for a start absolutely nothing is going to happen until the contracts are up, after which time we will offer them to whoever we want rather than the EU dictating that we have to take the best offer.
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Hoof Hearted 09 Jun 16 9.25am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
So it is official now that BREXIT campaign claims regarding NHS ARE lies. Sarah Wollaston MP decides to swap sides and join REMAIN: And her background? Former GP and now chairman of Health Select Committee. (Which begs the question why on earth she isn't Health Secretary) She has a wobble and a hissy fit on the same day that a large donor to the Conservatives announces he won't continue funding them due to Cameron's lies and behaviour on the Referendum issue. BOTH sides are exaggerating.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 16 9.31am | |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Well for a start absolutely nothing is going to happen until the contracts are up, after which time we will offer them to whoever we want rather than the EU dictating that we have to take the best offer. Like the German company that got the contract over a British one to produce rolling stock and carriages? Use British manufacturing companies with British steel. If it's more expensive then subsidise. After all we're happy to prop up foreign companies in the UK with subsidies...
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Hoof Hearted 09 Jun 16 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Like the German company that got the contract over a British one to produce rolling stock and carriages? Use British manufacturing companies with British steel. If it's more expensive then subsidise. After all we're happy to prop up foreign companies in the UK with subsidies... Yes Bombardier of Derby lost out to Siemens of Germany on the Thameslink project, but have recently seen off Hitachi for the Crossrail project. Cut throat complex business I'm afraid and hard to tell who owns what these days.
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chris123 hove actually 09 Jun 16 11.15am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Yes Bombardier of Derby lost out to Siemens of Germany on the Thameslink project, but have recently seen off Hitachi for the Crossrail project. Cut throat complex business I'm afraid and hard to tell who owns what these days. Bombardier are Canadian.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 16 11.27am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Socialist Workers Party if they were standing. That's how I tend to vote, as a Socialist, or Green if there isn't a socialist candidate (largely because their social policy is closer to my own views). I think its very important that people vote according to their views, rather than because of who they don't want to win. The latter makes a mockery of democracy. The real shame is how the system is set up so that people aren't represented at all. Even if it means giving seats to groups like the BNP. If 10% of the population vote for the BNP, that 10% deserve to be represented in parliament, even if I don't agree with their values.
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