I agree. Without wanting to be hyperbolic, our nation-state democracy lives or dies in the next month or so.

I am picking this one. Because if they can stab us in the back after we played by all their rules then I hate to think what they will then do once they realise we are not willing to stand and fight to have our votes on June 23rd honoured.

This is the one. Everything else that follows will be lost before it is even fought. In this, we stand a chance.

You actually have a point. I need to become much, much colder about this. Nothing achieved by flying off the handle.

As to getting locked up, it is a consideration. And the risk is one that I am not ruling out. The UK genuinely is on the cusp of something potentially tragic. People could potentially lose not only their liberty but their lives over this.

I was bought up to believe that it was important to vote. That people had died to protect our right to express our choice at the ballot box. I think that since I turned 18 I have missed one election. I vote in every election that I can because I genuinely believe that it is the right thing to do.

Was I an idiot to do so on June 23rd? Was I some kind of naive fool for believing that not only would my vote be counted but that the outcome would be honoured?

Or is that right to vote not worth defending?

You actually have a point. I need to become much, much colder about this. Nothing achieved by flying off the handle.

As to getting locked up, it is a consideration. And the risk is one that I am not ruling out. The UK genuinely is on the cusp of something potentially tragic. People could potentially lose not only their liberty but their lives over this.

I was bought up to believe that it was important to vote. That people had died to protect our right to express our choice at the ballot box. I think that since I turned 18 I have missed one election. I vote in every election that I can because I genuinely believe that it is the right thing to do.

Was I an idiot to do so on June 23rd? Was I some kind of naive fool for believing that not only would my vote be counted but that the outcome would be honoured?

Or is that right to vote not worth defending?

Life is a game of chess and you aren't playing it against the local moron but against a good standard.

Hence when you sacrifice a piece it has to be to win an advantage. All violence does at this point is to gift a win to remainers....their hold on the institutions is too firm.

Another problem with violence is it's not ethically possible to defend it against those who aren't willingly up for the ruck......it puts us in the same category as those, 'punch a Nazi' morons.

The real battles lie ahead.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2019 4.39pm)

You mean the shameful history of votes that the EU do not like being either ignored or re-run until they get the result they want? Perhaps I am naive. But you know what, this bulls*** has to end. People need to make a stand and be willing to pay the price.

We voted to leave. Parliament by a massive majority agreed to Article 50 and that gives us a leaving date of March 29th.

If that does not happen then we have been betrayed and there is no point in voting ever again. People need to be aware of that.

And if it is naive to believe that is worth fighting for then I am guilty as charged.