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  SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 26 Feb 19 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Purging my life of them today. Never lost a friendship over a political issue but today is the Rubicon moment for me. Had enough of having to listen to people try to lecture me that my vote has no validity. End of the line for reasoned debate. We either leave the EU properly by March 30th or else all bets are off. Fair enough, I respect your complete dedication but there are bigger issues than Brexit and becoming a hermit. If you're actually that fanatical about it I'd suggest there will be people bursting through your door before you get the chance to kick down theirs. I do think that the optimism of even a substantial fraction of 17 million people rioting or causing anything more than a managed disturbance is fanciful. People need real desperation, en masse, for that to happen. This won't cause it. There are far bigger things coming that might create that kind of hostility but this aint one of them, despite what various echo chambers and media outlets might lead you to believe. People in general are still far too comfortable to so much as rock the boat, let alone scuttle it.
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| Part Time James 26 Feb 19 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
This is what people need to wake up to. There is no more trying to tip-toe around what is about to happen. We are now on the edge of our entire democractic system being effectively pushed to one side. And we all then have to make a choice about whether we acquiesce to that or resist. And that defines your individual legacy. How you will be defined when you die. Sorry if this sounds a tad hyperbolic but the reality is that this is one of those turning points in the UK's history.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Feb 19 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
This is what people need to wake up to. There is no more trying to tip-toe around what is about to happen. We are now on the edge of our entire democractic system being effectively pushed to one side. And we all then have to make a choice about whether we acquiesce to that or resist. And that defines your individual legacy. How you will be defined when you die. Sorry if this sounds a tad hyperbolic but the reality is that this is one of those turning points in the UK's history.
Now where did I put my yellow vest.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Feb 19 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Got to do something. Already decided enough is enough in terms of people telling me that I failed to understand what I was voting for on June 23rd or that somehow I was an idiot because I did so in good faith that it would be implemented. Purging my life of them today. Never lost a friendship over a political issue but today is the Rubicon moment for me. Had enough of having to listen to people try to lecture me that my vote has no validity. End of the line for reasoned debate. We either leave the EU properly by March 30th or else all bets are off. I share you anger. We knew that this would happen.....the majority in parliament are remain and they will find their way to a form of 'remain' or a second vote. What is most important is what happens with freedom of movement. I do think that if Brexit doesn't happen that a serious spanner will be thrown in the works for a lot of conservative people. In the long run it might even be better for 'real' conservatives because it will wake a lot of people up. The 'real' right have been disenfranchised in this country and something like this would bring over a hell of a lot of people.
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| davenotamonkey 26 Feb 19 2.48pm |
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I'm not one for violence, but I can now genuinely see why some turn to it when they have been treated as those that voted to leave the EU have been. The utter contempt and disdain they hold those that instructed them, in clear voice, to LEAVE, is breathtaking. I am utterly, utterly disgusted with these charlatans in power. They will vote for an extension, and will have completely betrayed their manifestos. Why bother voting, seriously? When we do, it's ignored, when we don't more of our powers are sold to the EU anyway.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Feb 19 2.50pm |
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I do follow James Goddard now.....the good thing about a Youtube channel is that you get to see the difference between how someone is and how the mainstream press report on them.
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| davenotamonkey 26 Feb 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I share you anger. We knew that this would happen.....the majority in parliament are remain and they will find their way to a form of 'remain' or a second vote. What is most important is what happens with freedom of movement. I do think that if Brexit doesn't happen that a serious spanner will be thrown in the works for a lot of conservative people. In the long run it might even be better for 'real' conservatives because it will wake a lot of people up. The 'real' right have been disenfranchised in this country and something like this would bring over a hell of a lot of people. FOM is a symptom of the underlying disease - ceding control of our laws, borders and money to an external power that, to all intents and purposes, appears to act as our foe, not our neighbour. If you actually leave the EU, then it's not a question of "what happens with freedom of movement", in the same way it isn't a question for Australia's relationship with the EU. Our vote has now been subverted. I am happy for the entire political system to be razed to the ground, and I will dance in the f***ing ashes of it.
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| Matov 26 Feb 19 2.57pm |
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I am odds with most in the Leave camp in that I actually think that EU freedom of movement is positive for the UK. It is non-EU immigration that I am opposed to. But the issue is that it needs to be SOLELY a British issue. Nothing to do with what other nations may or may not like or agree with. For me this is all about Sovereignty, not about specific issues. And the actual issue of democracy. We voted on June 23rd with a simple question being asked of us. Leave or Remain. That was it. The result of that has to be abided by or else no other vote ever has a validity. For me I will fight on that simple premise.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Feb 19 2.57pm |
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I hope there isn't violence over Brexit.....I do see issues happening but SW19 is right about the nature of people. There are bigger problems than this coming down the pipe. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2019 2.58pm)
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| Matov 26 Feb 19 2.57pm |
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Doh! Edited by Matov (26 Feb 2019 2.58pm)
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| Matov 26 Feb 19 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I hope there isn't violence over Brexit.....I do see issues happening but SW19 is right about the nature of people. There are bigger problems than this coming down the pipe. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2019 2.58pm) Why is violence such a bad thing? Surely our democracy is worth fighting for? That is the point of this all. And if we lose this fight, then what chance do we stand with the bigger issues? This is the line in the sand. There is no fudging where you stand on this one. The time for being able to see both sides of the argument is now rapidly coming to an end.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Feb 19 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am odds with most in the Leave camp in that I actually think that EU freedom of movement is positive for the UK. It is non-EU immigration that I am opposed to. But the issue is that it needs to be SOLELY a British issue. Nothing to do with what other nations may or may not like or agree with. For me this is all about Sovereignty, not about specific issues. And the actual issue of democracy. We voted on June 23rd with a simple question being asked of us. Leave or Remain. That was it. The result of that has to be abided by or else no other vote ever has a validity. For me I will fight on that simple premise. Economically you are right about the 'freedom of movement' issue of course.....However, the continent of Europe isn't just full of industrious educated Europeans anymore. For me, the freedom of movement is about a principle for all nations, but I respect your point of difference. Sovereignty lies at the heart of his issue. The EU internationalists want to create a superstate. The fruitcakes are in charge of the asylum, so we need to exit the asylum.
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