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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Aug 24 9.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That different cases are deemed different priorities can only be because the threat of imitation is determined to be different. If the priority is to deter violence you concentrate on that likely to produce violence. A lone councillor saying stupid things has probably been considered less of a threat than significant numbers of others actually rioting. The comparison should be with so called far right people inciting violence on social media, not actual rioters. The precedent has been set, we’ll see what charges are given. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Aug 24 9.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That different cases are deemed different priorities can only be because the threat of imitation is determined to be different.

If the priority is to deter violence you concentrate on that likely to produce violence.

A lone councillor saying stupid things has probably been considered less of a threat than significant numbers of others actually rioting.

The comparison should be with so called far right people inciting violence on social media, not actual rioters. The precedent has been set, we’ll see what charges are given.

COYP

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Teddy Eagle 12 Aug 24 9.05am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They will and give thanks too, because without them many of those they are trying to get an appointment with wouldn’t be available. Think back to the appointments you have made with doctors and dentists over the last few years. How many of them were with people not born in the UK? How many on the waiting list did the same apply to?
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Teddy Eagle

12 Aug 24 9.05am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They will and give thanks too, because without them many of those they are trying to get an appointment with wouldn’t be available.

Think back to the appointments you have made with doctors and dentists over the last few years. How many of them were with people not born in the UK?

How many on the waiting list did the same apply to?

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YT Oxford 12 Aug 24 9.09am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Starmer is not beloved by me! Ridiculous idea. He has though handled this situation with determination and speed. What I said in my previous post is 100% true and would be understood by almost everyone other than the apologists for the far right inspired riots. Absolute bollocks. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 12 Aug 24 9.09am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Starmer is not beloved by me! Ridiculous idea.

He has though handled this situation with determination and speed.

What I said in my previous post is 100% true and would be understood by almost everyone other than the apologists for the far right inspired riots.

Absolute bollocks.

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 24 9.18am
Originally posted by YT Absolute bollocks. Yep, what does 'far right inspired' riots even mean? When you look at what actually happened most of the places experiencing riots were in economically deprived areas with high immigration. Most people didn't riot and of the people doing the rioting most weren't far right, as it was a mixture of people and the actual 'far right' weren't organising (which the PM put out into the media) nor were they suggesting people should be rioting. But the truth only matters to those interested in it. What we are getting instead are actual lies put out there by people talking out of their backside and looking to gaslight and scare people. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2024 9.23am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 24 9.18am

Originally posted by YT

Absolute bollocks.

Yep, what does 'far right inspired' riots even mean?

When you look at what actually happened most of the places experiencing riots were in economically deprived areas with high immigration.

Most people didn't riot and of the people doing the rioting most weren't far right, as it was a mixture of people and the actual 'far right' weren't organising (which the PM put out into the media) nor were they suggesting people should be rioting.

But the truth only matters to those interested in it.

What we are getting instead are actual lies put out there by people talking out of their backside and looking to gaslight and scare people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2024 9.23am)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Aug 24 9.38am
Government statements, Media manipulation, designed to confuse and scare the public into accepting further restrictions to their liberties. Perpetuate the fear, and eventually you will get conformity and control, I disengage, I turn the page.
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Government statements, Media manipulation, designed to confuse and scare the public into accepting further restrictions to their liberties. Perpetuate the fear, and eventually you will get conformity and control,

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 12.42pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The comparison should be with so called far right people inciting violence on social media, not actual rioters. The precedent has been set, we’ll see what charges are given. That’s fair. What do you think such a comparison reveals? How many riots have resulted from the incitement on social media by right wing influencers? How many people have been killed or injured as the result of a stupid remark by a left wing councellor? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 12.42pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The comparison should be with so called far right people inciting violence on social media, not actual rioters. The precedent has been set, we’ll see what charges are given.

That’s fair.

What do you think such a comparison reveals?

How many riots have resulted from the incitement on social media by right wing influencers?

How many people have been killed or injured as the result of a stupid remark by a left wing councellor?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 12.48pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle How many on the waiting list did the same apply to? Most I suspect. Those waiting lists would be much worse without the influx of international health care workers. Immigrants are, on average, younger and healthier than those born here. We are an aging population. Immigrants therefore consume less health care resource than they provide. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 12.48pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How many on the waiting list did the same apply to?

Most I suspect.

Those waiting lists would be much worse without the influx of international health care workers.

Immigrants are, on average, younger and healthier than those born here. We are an aging population. Immigrants therefore consume less health care resource than they provide.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 12 Aug 24 12.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Most I suspect. Those waiting lists would be much worse without the influx of international health care workers. Immigrants are, on average, younger and healthier than those born here. We are an aging population. Immigrants therefore consume less health care resource than they provide. Not when they're stabbing each other.
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Teddy Eagle

12 Aug 24 12.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Most I suspect.

Those waiting lists would be much worse without the influx of international health care workers.

Immigrants are, on average, younger and healthier than those born here. We are an aging population. Immigrants therefore consume less health care resource than they provide.

Not when they're stabbing each other.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 1.07pm
That the riots were targeted at economically deprived places is undeniable, because that’s where the willing foot soldiers were, willing to respond to the disinformation and rhetoric. Who knows what the politics of each of the rioters is? That some are far right seems obvious, given what they chanted. Some were just yobs thinking they could throw things without getting caught. Others may have genuine concerns and were misled by rumours or encouraged by social media disinformation. None of which matters, because there is no excuse for rioting. Ultimately the key targets are going to be those who inspired and encouraged it to happen. That could take a long time, even years, but they will be found, prosecuted and if found guilty, jailed. If they have a legitimate defence then they would be well advised to polish it well, because I think they will need a lot more than what the apologists are putting up. The evidence looks solid to me. Both of their culpability and of the self denial that exists in this thread. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 1.07pm

That the riots were targeted at economically deprived places is undeniable, because that’s where the willing foot soldiers were, willing to respond to the disinformation and rhetoric. Who knows what the politics of each of the rioters is? That some are far right seems obvious, given what they chanted. Some were just yobs thinking they could throw things without getting caught. Others may have genuine concerns and were misled by rumours or encouraged by social media disinformation.

None of which matters, because there is no excuse for rioting.

Ultimately the key targets are going to be those who inspired and encouraged it to happen. That could take a long time, even years, but they will be found, prosecuted and if found guilty, jailed. If they have a legitimate defence then they would be well advised to polish it well, because I think they will need a lot more than what the apologists are putting up. The evidence looks solid to me. Both of their culpability and of the self denial that exists in this thread.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 24 1.07pm
The aging population argument is continually made despite it being easily proven a nonsense. It's been answered so many times, ok, once again the obvious ones is that automation increasingly negates the need for large populations and in terms of care you could do old/young care contracts as they do in Japan....Japan itself being an example of having a much older population break down than the UK but which hasn't done anything like the 'migrants welcome' insanity of western Europe. Oh and Japan has been performing above our GDP with that older population for decades and continues to....all without those migrant inflows. Even the 'guest worker' scheme they do now is limited to mostly Asians and a tiny fraction of immigration compared to somewhere like us. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2024 1.22pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 24 1.07pm

The aging population argument is continually made despite it being easily proven a nonsense.

It's been answered so many times, ok, once again the obvious ones is that automation increasingly negates the need for large populations and in terms of care you could do old/young care contracts as they do in Japan....Japan itself being an example of having a much older population break down than the UK but which hasn't done anything like the 'migrants welcome' insanity of western Europe.

Oh and Japan has been performing above our GDP with that older population for decades and continues to....all without those migrant inflows.

Even the 'guest worker' scheme they do now is limited to mostly Asians and a tiny fraction of immigration compared to somewhere like us.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2024 1.22pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 1.13pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Not when they're stabbing each other. I am not aware of any international health care workers, or students, doing that! The problem with only looking at a tiny minority, whether that be those immigrants who commit crime, or those who hold hard right views, is they are completely unrepresentative of the whole picture. Any ostrich with its head buried in sand is going to have a limited field of vision! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 24 1.13pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not when they're stabbing each other.

I am not aware of any international health care workers, or students, doing that!

The problem with only looking at a tiny minority, whether that be those immigrants who commit crime, or those who hold hard right views, is they are completely unrepresentative of the whole picture.

Any ostrich with its head buried in sand is going to have a limited field of vision!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 24 1.16pm
These people need to be called out on their BS. This idea that anything other than multiple children being stabbed with three of them dying was the cause of riots and protests is a fiction spread by these people with political agendas. Sure, in amongst them were looters and hooligans looking for take advantage of the situation. No one sensible defends that. But 'Right wing' influencers causing riots? Prove it....reproduce these messages from 'right wing influencers, who have any kind of significant reach to bring out thousands of people inciting them to riot. Show us. Because I reproduced messages from people already jailed who no one has heard of! And there's no right wing organisation, let alone, 'far right' that they are connected to. Yet HNH put out a fake acid attack claim that a Muslim rioter is on film angrily referring to and nothing has been done. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2024 1.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Aug 24 1.16pm

These people need to be called out on their BS.

This idea that anything other than multiple children being stabbed with three of them dying was the cause of riots and protests is a fiction spread by these people with political agendas.

Sure, in amongst them were looters and hooligans looking for take advantage of the situation. No one sensible defends that.

But 'Right wing' influencers causing riots? Prove it....reproduce these messages from 'right wing influencers, who have any kind of significant reach to bring out thousands of people inciting them to riot.

Show us.

Because I reproduced messages from people already jailed who no one has heard of! And there's no right wing organisation, let alone, 'far right' that they are connected to.

Yet HNH put out a fake acid attack claim that a Muslim rioter is on film angrily referring to and nothing has been done.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2024 1.23pm)

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