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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 11.55am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It's not easy to discuss things before they've happened is it? Claiming it's all post facto and so pointless is just saying, "know your place and don't ever question those in authority". Whatever the outcome of the review the burden of paying for lockdown will fall to those at least risk. How did protecting the NHS go anyway? At the end of June 7.6 million people were waiting for hospital treatment – an increase of 100,000 from the month before and almost three million more people than prior to the pandemic. One in seven of the population is currently on an NHS waiting list for routine treatment, such as hip and knee operations. You are again missing the point. Discussing things during the period when decisions are being considered is perfectly valid. As discussing them after they have been taken won't change them, doing so just appears pointless to me as it achieves nothing other than dissatisfaction and self-righteous indignation. When there are things happening which could be changed surely it's better to concentrate on them? So for me, the discussion ought not be about why there may be 7.6 million people waiting for hospital beds and trying to dissect all the various factors that have contributed. It ought to be about what we must do now to improve things. Only if lessons can be learned from past mistakes are they now relevant, and determining those lessons objectively needs cool, careful and unbiased analysis of the kind the enquiry has been established to provide. My point isn't about shutting down debate or knowing your place, at all. It's about trying to ensure that the debate is directed towards things that could actually make an impact, rather than just blowing hot air. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 11.55am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's not easy to discuss things before they've happened is it?
Claiming it's all post facto and so pointless is just saying, "know your place and don't ever question those in authority".
Whatever the outcome of the review the burden of paying for lockdown will fall to those at least risk.

How did protecting the NHS go anyway?

At the end of June 7.6 million people were waiting for hospital treatment – an increase of 100,000 from the month before and almost three million more people than prior to the pandemic.
One in seven of the population is currently on an NHS waiting list for routine treatment, such as hip and knee operations.

You are again missing the point.

Discussing things during the period when decisions are being considered is perfectly valid. As discussing them after they have been taken won't change them, doing so just appears pointless to me as it achieves nothing other than dissatisfaction and self-righteous indignation. When there are things happening which could be changed surely it's better to concentrate on them?

So for me, the discussion ought not be about why there may be 7.6 million people waiting for hospital beds and trying to dissect all the various factors that have contributed. It ought to be about what we must do now to improve things. Only if lessons can be learned from past mistakes are they now relevant, and determining those lessons objectively needs cool, careful and unbiased analysis of the kind the enquiry has been established to provide.

My point isn't about shutting down debate or knowing your place, at all. It's about trying to ensure that the debate is directed towards things that could actually make an impact, rather than just blowing hot air.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 11 Aug 23 11.59am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are again missing the point. Discussing things during the period when decisions are being considered is perfectly valid. As discussing them after they have been taken won't change them, doing so just appears pointless to me as it achieves nothing other than dissatisfaction and self-righteous indignation. When there are things happening which could be changed surely it's better to concentrate on them? So for me, the discussion ought not be about why there may be 7.6 million people waiting for hospital beds and trying to dissect all the various factors that have contributed. It ought to be about what we must do now to improve things. Only if lessons can be learned from past mistakes are they now relevant, and determining those lessons objectively needs cool, careful and unbiased analysis of the kind the enquiry has been established to provide. My point isn't about shutting down debate or knowing your place, at all. It's about trying to ensure that the debate is directed towards things that could actually make an impact, rather than just blowing hot air. But we elect our politicians to make those decisions for us so what's the point of discussing anything before it happens when "we" have no input?
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Teddy Eagle

11 Aug 23 11.59am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are again missing the point.

But we elect our politicians to make those decisions for us so what's the point of discussing anything before it happens when "we" have no input?

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Mattconrov 11 Aug 23 12.20pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But we elect our politicians to make those decisions for us so what's the point of discussing anything before it happens when "we" have no input? As we know Teddy,lessons never get learnt. This played out the way it was meant to. How many times do we hear lessons must be learnt. It's like a copy and paste. Enquirys into events always tell the same story. Absolute cover ups. People did want to discuss it at the time. We now know that governments collaborated with media sites to shut down those opinions. (first link dated November 2020) as it was obvious to many. [Link] So at the time would that disinformation be something like - you can still catch covid or you can transmit it? Fast forward a couple of years and we now know the opposite is considered disinformation. Whatever suits at the time. [Link] Government partnered with sites to encourage kids to get an experimental procedure with no long term safety data. Average age of death through covid is 82. But kids were being pushed this. The public health authority never even bothered to check the trial results from Pfzier before this went to market. [Link] Edited by Mattconrov (11 Aug 2023 12.50pm) " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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Mattconrov

11 Aug 23 12.20pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But we elect our politicians to make those decisions for us so what's the point of discussing anything before it happens when "we" have no input?

As we know Teddy,lessons never get learnt. This played out the way it was meant to.

How many times do we hear lessons must be learnt. It's like a copy and paste. Enquirys into events always tell the same story. Absolute cover ups.

People did want to discuss it at the time. We now know that governments collaborated with media sites to shut down those opinions. (first link dated November 2020) as it was obvious to many.

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So at the time would that disinformation be something like - you can still catch covid or you can transmit it? Fast forward a couple of years and we now know the opposite is considered disinformation.

Whatever suits at the time.

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Government partnered with sites to encourage kids to get an experimental procedure with no long term safety data.

Average age of death through covid is 82. But kids were being pushed this. The public health authority never even bothered to check the trial results from Pfzier before this went to market.

[Link]

Edited by Mattconrov (11 Aug 2023 12.50pm)

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Mattconrov 11 Aug 23 1.28pm
Straight from the horses' mouths, in 45 short video clips. Why would you trust people who have said these things? Video of Fauci saying that "asymptomatic spread has never been the driver of outbreaks": [Link] Backup link: [Link] The "experts" on TV are lying: Video compilation of the "experts" saying that the vaccines don't prevent transmission: [Link] Video compilation of Fauci U-turning on everything he's ever said about covid: [Link] England's Chief Medical Officer is lying: Video of Chris Whitty admitting that Covid-19 isn't very dangerous: [Link] Another: [Link] England's Deputy Chief Medical Officer is lying: Video of Van Tam saying that the public should not wear masks: [Link] The UK Government's SAGE group is lying: Video of SAGE member Susan Michie admitting that she has been a communist for 40 years: [Link] [Link] Video of SAGE member Susan Michie saying that the restrictions should last forever: [Link] Video of communist behavioural scientist Susan Michie talking about how to change people's behaviour (from 2012): [Link] The world's biggest vaccine salesman is lying: Video of Bill Gates talking about short-term side effects: [Link] Backup link: [Link] Full interview: [Link] Video of Bill Gates talking about long-term side effects: [Link] Backup link: [Link] Video of Bill Gates admitting that he told Trump not to investigate side effects: [Link] Backup link: [Link] The manufacturers are lying: Video of Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla explaining why he hasn't received the vaccine yet (despite being 59) [Link] CNN interview [Link] Video of World Bank president David Malpass saying that Pfizer won't sell vaccines to countries that won't give them a liability exemption: [Link] [Link] [Link] The World Health Organisation is Lying: Video of WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan caught blatantly lying about vaccine safety monitoring: [Link] Video of Dr. Michael Ryan (Chief Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme) saying they need to go into your home to remove family members: [Link] The CDC is lying: Video of then-serving CDC director Robert Redfield saying that healthy people should not wear masks: [Link] Video of current CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitting that the vaccines don't prevent transmission: [Link] Another: [Link] Video of Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitting that the vaccines cause severe reactions, and nearly choking on her words: [Link] Video of former CDC director Robert Redfield saying that the virus came from a lab: [Link] Video of Robert Redfield saying he was threatened while at the CDC for saying that the virus came from a lab: [Link] But... it's OK to say that now: [Link] The NIH and the Chief Medical Advisor to the President are lying: Video of Fauci saying that "asymptomatic spread has never been the driver of outbreaks": [Link] Backup link: [Link] Video of Fauci admitting that people who have no symptoms don't need to get tested: [Link] Video of Fauci admitting that masks don't work: [Link] Video of Fauci saying that we don't need to wait for safety data on the vaccines because people have already started receiving them: [Link] Video compilation of experts, including Fauci, admitting that the PCR tests are useless: [Link] Long version: [Link] Video of Fauci being caught lying to congress about his funding of dangerous research at the Wuhan lab: [Link] Video of Fauci in 2017 saying that there will be a surprise outbreak: [Link] Public health agencies are lying: Video of Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitting that only HALF of the NIH and CDC employees got the vaccine: [Link] Video of a Danish public health official despairing about the fact that one of the most widely used vaccines - DTP - has been proven to shorten lifespan. "I just wish it wasn't true...but this is what the data tells us": [Link] Video of the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine Dr. Eric Rubin recommending the vaccine to the FDA saying we will never know if it is safe for children until we start giving it: [Link] Explanation by The Highwire: [Link] The media are lying: Video of BBC News admitting most of the new covid "cases" are in the vaccinated: [Link] Video of 2010 Channel 4 News report on how the hysteria around Swine Flu was created to sell vaccines: [Link] Video of a 1976 news report on how an untested swine flu vaccine was used on the public, while the media claimed that it was "safe and effective": Swine Flu Deja Vu 1976: [Link] Full: [Link] In 1976, the US government declared that everyone should take a vaccine to stop a national pandemic from the Swine Flu. At that time, the US had a population of 218-million people, and 46-million took the vaccine. Four-thousand were injured by the vaccine and filed lawsuits for $3.5 billion. Most of the claims were for neurological damage and death. According to 60 Minutes, the vaccine was never even tested, although the media propaganda proclaimed that it was safe and effective, and necessary to prevent the spread of a pandemic that never was. And a few more: Video of Boris Johnson saying that the vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission...but we need boosters anyway: [Link] [Link] Video of SAGE/NERVTAG member Prof. John Edmunds (who is funded by Bill Gates) saying we need to give all children the jab: [Link] Backup [Link] Video of CNN Medical Contributor Leana Wen saying that we need to make life "hard" for the unvaccinated: [Link] Video of CNN Medical Contributor Leana Wen lying about Ivermectin: [Link] Video of CNN Medical Contributor Leana Wen admitting that the vaccinated still spread the virus: [Link] News segment showing videos of all the "experts" reversing their advice on masks: [Link] Video of Bill Gates (the man who supposedly wants to save millions of lives with vaccines) talking about how we need to reduce the world's population: [Link] Video of Bill Gates talking about how we should have death panels: [Link] Video of Bill and Melinda Gates laughing at our suffering: "They'll pay attention to the next pandemic! Hahaha" [Link] Video of Melinda Gates lying about implantable microchips for some reason: [Link] Backup: [Link] Another: [Link] Video of Boris Johnson excitedly talking about experimental vaccines and digital surveillance: [Link] " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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Mattconrov

11 Aug 23 1.28pm

Straight from the horses' mouths, in 45 short video clips. Why would you trust people who have said these things?

Video of Fauci saying that "asymptomatic spread has never been the driver of outbreaks":
[Link]
Backup link:
[Link]

The "experts" on TV are lying:

Video compilation of the "experts" saying that the vaccines don't prevent transmission:
[Link]

Video compilation of Fauci U-turning on everything he's ever said about covid:
[Link]

England's Chief Medical Officer is lying:

Video of Chris Whitty admitting that Covid-19 isn't very dangerous:
[Link]
Another:
[Link]

England's Deputy Chief Medical Officer is lying:

Video of Van Tam saying that the public should not wear masks:
[Link]

The UK Government's SAGE group is lying:

Video of SAGE member Susan Michie admitting that she has been a communist for 40 years:
[Link]
[Link]

Video of SAGE member Susan Michie saying that the restrictions should last forever:
[Link]

Video of communist behavioural scientist Susan Michie talking about how to change people's behaviour (from 2012):
[Link]

The world's biggest vaccine salesman is lying:

Video of Bill Gates talking about short-term side effects:
[Link]
Backup link:
[Link]
Full interview:
[Link]

Video of Bill Gates talking about long-term side effects:
[Link]
Backup link:
[Link]

Video of Bill Gates admitting that he told Trump not to investigate side effects:
[Link]
Backup link:
[Link]

The manufacturers are lying:

Video of Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla explaining why he hasn't received the vaccine yet (despite being 59)
[Link]
CNN interview
[Link]

Video of World Bank president David Malpass saying that Pfizer won't sell vaccines to countries that won't give them a liability exemption:
[Link]
[Link]
[Link]

The World Health Organisation is Lying:

Video of WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan caught blatantly lying about vaccine safety monitoring:
[Link]

Video of Dr. Michael Ryan (Chief Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme) saying they need to go into your home to remove family members:
[Link]

The CDC is lying:

Video of then-serving CDC director Robert Redfield saying that healthy people should not wear masks:
[Link]

Video of current CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitting that the vaccines don't prevent transmission:
[Link]
Another:
[Link]

Video of Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitting that the vaccines cause severe reactions, and nearly choking on her words:
[Link]

Video of former CDC director Robert Redfield saying that the virus came from a lab:
[Link]

Video of Robert Redfield saying he was threatened while at the CDC for saying that the virus came from a lab:
[Link]
But... it's OK to say that now:
[Link]

The NIH and the Chief Medical Advisor to the President are lying:

Video of Fauci saying that "asymptomatic spread has never been the driver of outbreaks":
[Link]
Backup link:
[Link]

Video of Fauci admitting that people who have no symptoms don't need to get tested:
[Link]

Video of Fauci admitting that masks don't work:
[Link]

Video of Fauci saying that we don't need to wait for safety data on the vaccines because people have already started receiving them:
[Link]

Video compilation of experts, including Fauci, admitting that the PCR tests are useless:
[Link]
Long version:
[Link]

Video of Fauci being caught lying to congress about his funding of dangerous research at the Wuhan lab:
[Link]

Video of Fauci in 2017 saying that there will be a surprise outbreak:
[Link]

Public health agencies are lying:

Video of Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitting that only HALF of the NIH and CDC employees got the vaccine:
[Link]

Video of a Danish public health official despairing about the fact that one of the most widely used vaccines - DTP - has been proven to shorten lifespan. "I just wish it wasn't true...but this is what the data tells us":
[Link]

Video of the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine Dr. Eric Rubin recommending the vaccine to the FDA saying we will never know if it is safe for children until we start giving it:
[Link]
Explanation by The Highwire:
[Link]

The media are lying:

Video of BBC News admitting most of the new covid "cases" are in the vaccinated:
[Link]

Video of 2010 Channel 4 News report on how the hysteria around Swine Flu was created to sell vaccines:
[Link]

Video of a 1976 news report on how an untested swine flu vaccine was used on the public, while the media claimed that it was "safe and effective":
Swine Flu Deja Vu 1976:
[Link]
Full:
[Link]
In 1976, the US government declared that everyone should take a vaccine to stop a national pandemic from the Swine Flu. At that time, the US had a population of 218-million people, and 46-million took the vaccine. Four-thousand were injured by the vaccine and filed lawsuits for $3.5 billion. Most of the claims were for neurological damage and death. According to 60 Minutes, the vaccine was never even tested, although the media propaganda proclaimed that it was safe and effective, and necessary to prevent the spread of a pandemic that never was.

And a few more:

Video of Boris Johnson saying that the vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission...but we need boosters anyway:
[Link]
[Link]

Video of SAGE/NERVTAG member Prof. John Edmunds (who is funded by Bill Gates) saying we need to give all children the jab:
[Link]
Backup
[Link]

Video of CNN Medical Contributor Leana Wen saying that we need to make life "hard" for the unvaccinated:
[Link]

Video of CNN Medical Contributor Leana Wen lying about Ivermectin:
[Link]

Video of CNN Medical Contributor Leana Wen admitting that the vaccinated still spread the virus:
[Link]

News segment showing videos of all the "experts" reversing their advice on masks:
[Link]

Video of Bill Gates (the man who supposedly wants to save millions of lives with vaccines) talking about how we need to reduce the world's population:
[Link]

Video of Bill Gates talking about how we should have death panels:
[Link]

Video of Bill and Melinda Gates laughing at our suffering: "They'll pay attention to the next pandemic! Hahaha"
[Link]

Video of Melinda Gates lying about implantable microchips for some reason:
[Link]
Backup:
[Link]
Another:
[Link]

Video of Boris Johnson excitedly talking about experimental vaccines and digital surveillance:
[Link]

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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eaglesdare 11 Aug 23 1.54pm
I have run out of conspiracy theories. They have all come true the last few years.
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eaglesdare

11 Aug 23 1.54pm

I have run out of conspiracy theories. They have all come true the last few years.

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Mattconrov 11 Aug 23 2.01pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare I have run out of conspiracy theories. They have all come true the last few years. Worth a watch to remind ourselves. It was the CIA who invented the phrase conspiracy theory. This has been used to label people as fantasists No fantasy here. Just a nightmare. " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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Mattconrov

11 Aug 23 2.01pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I have run out of conspiracy theories. They have all come true the last few years.

Worth a watch to remind ourselves. It was the CIA who invented the phrase conspiracy theory. This has been used to label people as fantasists

No fantasy here. Just a nightmare.

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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eaglesdare 11 Aug 23 2.05pm
[Link] Matt Le Tissier talks Southampton FC, Covid lockdowns, and 'mainstream misinformation' Very good interview with Mat le Tissier
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Matt Le Tissier talks Southampton FC, Covid lockdowns, and 'mainstream misinformation'

Very good interview with Mat le Tissier

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Mattconrov 11 Aug 23 2.28pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare [Link] Matt Le Tissier talks Southampton FC, Covid lockdowns, and 'mainstream misinformation' Very good interview with Mat le Tissier Thanks, I've watched a lot of Matt. A top player and now to cap it all a top bloke. What I get from Matt, is that he wasn't interested in questioning things before. He enjoyed his life, golf etc. But being an intelligent man he could smell something was off. When he looked into that smell,it got worse. This is what integrity looks like. I saw him play a lot during the early 90s. Frequently watching palace at the dell. I was directly in line when salako curled it in during the evening cup game. Plus I was there when the Stoke announcer called him Johnny Salad. So apart from these threads, I'm a proper old school fan. Edited by Mattconrov (11 Aug 2023 2.33pm) " You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.
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Mattconrov

11 Aug 23 2.28pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

[Link]

Matt Le Tissier talks Southampton FC, Covid lockdowns, and 'mainstream misinformation'

Very good interview with Mat le Tissier

Thanks, I've watched a lot of Matt. A top player and now to cap it all a top bloke.

What I get from Matt, is that he wasn't interested in questioning things before. He enjoyed his life, golf etc. But being an intelligent man he could smell something was off.

When he looked into that smell,it got worse.

This is what integrity looks like.

I saw him play a lot during the early 90s. Frequently watching palace at the dell.

I was directly in line when salako curled it in during the evening cup game. Plus I was there when the Stoke announcer called him Johnny Salad.

So apart from these threads, I'm a proper old school fan.

Edited by Mattconrov (11 Aug 2023 2.33pm)

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 3.25pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But we elect our politicians to make those decisions for us so what's the point of discussing anything before it happens when "we" have no input? We choose those who act for us and, prior to any major decision being made, they will be aware of public sentiment. So as we aren't a direct democracy we don't have a direct input on anything but we do have an indirect influence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 3.25pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But we elect our politicians to make those decisions for us so what's the point of discussing anything before it happens when "we" have no input?

We choose those who act for us and, prior to any major decision being made, they will be aware of public sentiment. So as we aren't a direct democracy we don't have a direct input on anything but we do have an indirect influence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 3.55pm
Originally posted by Mattconrov Worth a watch to remind ourselves. It was the CIA who invented the phrase conspiracy theory. This has been used to label people as fantasists No fantasy here. Just a nightmare. From which purveyor of misleading video clips did you secure the bunch you posted earlier? I didn't watch that many. I bet no one will be bothered to watch them all. Including you. I just dipped in and out but what I saw was enough. Nothing was controversial unless you wanted it to be. Taking anything out of its context and making assertions about it can present a totally different picture to that the speaker intended. So who put them together? If you did it yourself, which seems to me to be highly unlikely, then we know you already have a position on these things and can make a reasonable estimate of your motivation. However it seems much more likely that you are recirculating and spreading things from som dubious source or other so I would be interested to know and able to check it out. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 3.55pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

Worth a watch to remind ourselves. It was the CIA who invented the phrase conspiracy theory. This has been used to label people as fantasists

No fantasy here. Just a nightmare.

From which purveyor of misleading video clips did you secure the bunch you posted earlier? I didn't watch that many. I bet no one will be bothered to watch them all. Including you. I just dipped in and out but what I saw was enough. Nothing was controversial unless you wanted it to be. Taking anything out of its context and making assertions about it can present a totally different picture to that the speaker intended.

So who put them together? If you did it yourself, which seems to me to be highly unlikely, then we know you already have a position on these things and can make a reasonable estimate of your motivation. However it seems much more likely that you are recirculating and spreading things from som dubious source or other so I would be interested to know and able to check it out.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 4.01pm
Originally posted by Mattconrov Worth a watch to remind ourselves. It was the CIA who invented the phrase conspiracy theory. This has been used to label people as fantasists No fantasy here. Just a nightmare. Of course, those who check facts are, in the minds of conspiracy theorists like you, all liars themselves, aren't they? [Link] Hopeless. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 4.01pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

Worth a watch to remind ourselves. It was the CIA who invented the phrase conspiracy theory. This has been used to label people as fantasists

No fantasy here. Just a nightmare.

Of course, those who check facts are, in the minds of conspiracy theorists like you, all liars themselves, aren't they?

[Link]

Hopeless.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 23 4.01pm
Duplicate removed. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Aug 2023 4.02pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Duplicate removed.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Aug 2023 4.02pm)

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